Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!retina.cis.ohio-state.edu!stucki From: stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (David J Stucki) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Turing Test: opinions on an idea Message-ID: Date: 13 May 91 17:56:39 GMT References: <1991May13.133711.102@athena.mit.edu> <1991May13.144943.19575@milton.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science Lines: 35 In-reply-to: forbis@milton.u.washington.edu's message of 13 May 91 14:49:43 GMT An aside to the question. Are you imagining a device which gives the appearance of learning without actually doing so? If you are not then you might reexamine the assertion that it is good enough to pass the Turing Test. Suppose I ask, "Do you remember the last time we talked about the Turing Test?" How would the machine respond? The machine could not be static but must have an ever growing knowledge base of the world about it. The ability to learn and function at a human level is why I would call it intelligent (there is no way to give the appearance of learning without actually doing so.) --gary forbis@u.washington.edu I have had many students who serve as counter-examples to your parenthetical remark. :) But seriously, what if you are not simulating learning, but simulating someone who is learning (say, for example, a dog). You would want to say that the dog is learning and that the computer isn't (since it is simulating the dog, not the learning), but from what you said above this distinction has been smeared. I think we need to discipline ourselves from equating the computational concepts of intelligence, learning, etc., from the corresponding cognitive concepts. They aren't equivalent and this has been the cause of much of the confusion in the discussions in the newsgroup. dave... -- David J Stucki /\ ~~ /\ ~~ /\ ~~ /\ ~~ c/o Dept. Computer and 537 Harley Dr. #6 / \ / \ / \ / \ / Information Science Columbus, OH 43202 \/ \ / \ / \ / 2036 Neil Ave. stucki@cis.ohio-state.edu ~ \/ ~~ \/ ~~ \/ Columbus, OH 43210