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Subject: Re: Term Progs
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Date: 12 May 91 01:54:00 GMT
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In a previous article, kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:

>>>Anyone know of a GS/OS term prog that works as good as ProTerm?  AWGS
>>>communications pretty much sucks...
>
>>	Could you please explain to me why you need a GS specific (what you
>>mean by a "GS/OS term prog") program if ProTERM works well for you, as you
>>seem to imply?
> 
>Well, he wants a GO/OS app....  ProTERM does have problems.  #1, the editor
>is FAR too small.  I have 3.8Megs of scollback and only 40K of editor.  Excuse
>me?  That's just silly.
 
	Yea, that is a drawback, but that has nothing to do with GS/OS. That
decision was made by the programmers. Hopefully they'll let the users decide
in 3.0

>#2, it does not support ansi characters.  A GS/OS could use PC MONOSPACED and
>get the ANSI character set....
 
	Again, having ANSI has nothing to do with the application being
GS/OS or not. Again, thats up to the programmers.

>#3  It does not allow you access to your NDA's, so you cna;t have neat
>things like viewing a graphic as you download it.
 
	Umm.. I've never heard of "viewing" pictures while you download them.
Besides, even if this is an option, most of them {should be} are compressed
by programs like ShrinkIt, and no picture viewer decompresses Shrinkit
on the fly so..... Besides, except of when you are downloading, you still have
access to your CDA's... But access to NDA's would be nice.

> #4, It is prodos 8.  Two partitions.  64 Megs max (you can get around this).
 
	Yes, ProTERM is ProDOS 8 dependant, and thats the drawback. However,
from most of the points that you have mentioned, {even the next one}, most
of your gripes come from deficincies in the program itself and not the 
operating system its running under.

	The only major reason why _I_ would want to have ProTERM as a GS/OS
application is to be able to use the file system capabilites that GS/OS
offers. Such as future FST's and large numbers of volumes. ProTERM really
doesn't need much else.

>#5, The Zmodem does not work, period.  The Ymodem sends and expects a ProDOS
>header at all times, which means you do not get file info when downloading
>from a board with REAL ymodem.

	ZModem does not work PERIOD? If that was true, all the downloading
I've done from our VAX and GEnie have been all a mirage. Granted, ProTERM's
ZModem does have problems, its still my first choice when I'm downloading.
I have had some problems with YModem at times, but ZModem has always been
able to pick up where YModem has left off. Sure the file info may not get
saved, but that is easily fixed.

>There are other things too... but this is enough for now.  ProTERM is great and
>I like it, but it is seriously limited in many ways.
 
I love ProTerm too, but all I want is the file system capablities of GS/OS
and the file transfer protocols to be cleaned up a bit.

						- Hal

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