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From: tsang@sturgeon.cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang)
Subject: Re: Dos 3.3 file copier needed
Message-ID: <1991May13.233011.26732@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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Date: Mon, 13 May 91 23:30:11 GMT

In article <> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes:
>In article <> ART100@psuvm.psu.edu (Andy Tefft) writes:
>>One could probably find a copy of FID (or possibly some other dos 3.3
>>file copying program) or even an entire dos 3.3 system master in
>>the ancient part of a user group's library. The legality of giving
>>out copies of dos 3.3 system software is a question, though.
>
>You mean everyone doesn't still have a Dos 3.3 System Master disk?
>[stuff deleted]
>	You younguns really have it easy... When I was little, we 
>had to boot DOS 3.3 off of piddly little 140K disks.. in the snow..
>in our bare feet... Oh.. ugg.. that's a different story...
>(Now someone's going to reply and talk about using punch cards, huh??)

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Not quite... but DOS 3.2, where there were 13 and not 16 sectors per
track.  114K disks.  And we had Apple II's, not Apple II+'s, and we
were lucky because most of them had Applesoft cards and a respectable
32K.  Some of them even had the full 48K on the motherboard.

Then we (the Junior High school) got this neat Apple II+, with a
Language Card and DOS 3.3 capability (anyone remember the BOOT13
program, or the BASICS disk?), along with UCSD P-Code PASCAL!  And
a whopping 64K of RAM, more than any other computer we had!

We dreamed of having Apple ///'s, with dual 6502's, and SOS, with
PASCAL and Business BASIC, as well as Applesoft and Integer BASIC in
Apple II(+) Emulation Mode.  And a neat box, with a drive and extended
keyboard built in.

In those days, 5.25" disks cost $5 each at Computerland, with 
student discount, and I had *two* of them (one side of one of them was
DOS 3.3, and had the apple-16 sticker on it).

Ah, those were the days... when games like Alien Typhoon were hot...

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------------------------- begin useful stuff --------------------------

But ya know... Copy II Plus and the //e, //c, and //gs System Utilities
have DOS 3.3 capability.  Additionally, the Apple products can read
UCSD P-System files, so you can edit your old Wizardry files...

If you still have DOS 3.2 files, though, you need MUFFIN from the old
DOS 3.3 System Master disk, or Copy II Plus, Version 4.2 or earlier.

  Donald Tsang
  tsang@cs.washington.edu