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From: sparkie@uhura.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: the recent glut of Amiga-related posts
Message-ID: <1991May9.044759.27402@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
Date: 9 May 91 04:47:59 GMT
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Reply-To: sparkie@uhura.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
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No flames intended, but something needs to be cleared up here.  And then  
perhaps we can get back to the business of talking about NeXTs or touting the  
superiority of amigas.

In comp.sys.next article <1991May8.063518.5934@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> you  
wrote:
> In article <17079@chopin.udel.edu> radel@chopin.udel.edu (Todd Radel) writes:
> >Can all the Amiga freaks who've been posting to our already-crowded
> >newsgroup listen up for just one teensy second?
> >
> >GET OUT OF HERE!
> >
> >Now that I've got your attention ... comp.sys.next is intended for the
> >discussion of NeXT-related issues, not for Amiga owners to post thirty-line
> >messages that say "Amigas are the best."  You've got a newsgroup for this
> >sort of thing (comp.sys.amiga.advocacy).  Take it there and leave us alone!
> 
> 	You should learn a bit more about Usenet before you start
> flaming.

Perhaps this is true, but you should also read a little bit of news.newusers.   
There is a "Netiquette" article posted periodically.  This article clearly  
states that an article posted to any particular group ought to have something  
to do with the goals of that group.  If it is not obvious, postings which state  
the superiority of amigas do not have anything to do with comp.sys.next - thus  
a user of comp.sys.next can "flame" someone who is not achieving those goals.

> Someone, i.e. ONE person, cross-posted to both
> newsgroups. Everyone else who replied to that post unknowing
> posted to both newsgroups.

That is irrelevant.  The poster of any news article is fully responsible for  
his or her post - which includes making sure that he/she knows where it's  
going.  And anyone following up to a cross posted article can direct the  
article to go to only the appropriate places.  

The point this person is trying to make is that the people who post to  
comp.sys.next (whether cross-posting or not) with posts devoid of anything  
valuable to the general goals of comp.sys.next (or any other group) are wasting  
bandwidth and other people's time - in particular those people who read  
comp.sys.next.  

> In fact, I didn't notice until you
> decided to post your flame. A flame was unnecessary.

Not true.  If the "flame" causes the amiga folk who are cross posting,  
intentionally or otherwise, to leave, then it was more than necessary, it was  
effective.

> I have no
> desire to make your group as ridiculously crowded and uninformed
> as comp.sys.amiga.advocacy usually is. 8-)

Thank you.  That is appreciated.  However, the point is that if you HAPPEN to  
be making my newsgroup "rediculously crowded and uninformed" (intentionally or  
not), I have the right to tell you to stop.  Your posting seems to suggest  
otherwise.

> 	ANY REPLIES TO THIS POST WILL GO TO BOTH NEWSGROUPS
> 
> 	The next time you post, check the line that says
> Newsgroups: and if there are two newsgroups in it remove the one
> you don't want to post to. It's that simple.

EXACTLY!  You advocate the practice that the original posters ignored -  
checking the newsgroups line.  And a reader of comp.sys.next has every right to  
"flame" anyone who is obviously not fulfilling the goals of comp.sys.next (this  
applies to any other group, too)  

> 	-- Ethan

Again, I don't intend any flames here.  If you wish to state that amigas are  
directly created by the hand of God - by all means do so!  But please do it in  
the group(s) that are more appropriately suited for that.  The newsgroup  
comp.sys.next is not one of them.

- sparkie (Mark Horn)
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sparkie@uhura.cs.wisc.edu
NeXT Campus Consultant @ U. of Wisconsin, Madison