Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!dali.cs.montana.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!apple!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: walker@sulu.usc.edu (Walker J. Seestedt) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Future of SAM Summary: Not enough range Message-ID: <1991May9.063947.12575@amd.com> Date: 8 May 91 19:06:07 GMT References: <1991Apr30.044658.4761@amd.com> <1991May1.030348.20065@amd.com> <1991May2.040007.19776@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: USC Aerospace Engineering (Fly the Friendly Skys) Lines: 41 Approved: military@amd.com From: walker@sulu.usc.edu (Walker J. Seestedt) In article <1991May2.040007.19776@amd.com> quimby@rpi.edu (Tom Stewart) writes: >Given that most ground attack aircraft don't carry a whole lot of >armour -- even the A-10, as I understand it, has armour only for >pilot protection -- wouldn't it make sense to field some smaller, >lighter, faster AA guns? Swapping an M3 or M60 for a 7.62 or >5.56 minigun would raise the rate of fire 4-16 times, with little >if any weight gain. With groundfire, even from rifles, seemingly >such a threat to low level flight, I'm surprised it hasn't >received more attention from the sending end. I believe that the reason that most AAA is of greater caliber is for range purposes. Smaller arms such as the 5.56mm and 7.62mm while having a greater rate of fire do not have really enough range to do damage to airplanes flying at medium altitude. After all, if you put more oomph in the cartridge pushing the shell it will go higher, and have enough velocity to damage vital airplane parts once it is there. When my dad flew in Vietnam, they would climb higher to get out of small arms range (only to face SAM's, oops.) He says they could see the tracers of .50 cal machine guns tooling lazily up toward his plane. (Okay, so they were going about mach 1 or so, but they looked like they were taking their time what with the distance they had to travel to get to them. ;-) Steven Coonts also addresses this in _Flight_of_the_Intruder_. The A-6 would climb higher to get out of small arms range, and you could watch the tracers arc up and head back down. Although smaller, faster firing AAA would be good for low flying airplanes, I am sure that ground forces would be quite willing to give up rate of fire for the versatility of being able to engage higher flying airplanes without using expensive SAMS ;-). -- Walker J. Seestedt. USC Aerospace Engineering (213) 740-4303. Dod #0081 Internet: walker@spock.usc..edu | Uucp: ...uunet!usc!spock!walker Bitnet: swalker@uscvm.bitnet Standard disclaimers apply. Internal use only. Violators will be persecuted.