Xref: utzoo alt.sources.d:1821 comp.unix.wizards:25573 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!rutgers!cmcl2!kramden.acf.nyu.edu!brnstnd From: brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) Newsgroups: alt.sources.d,comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: kstuff 0.18 (part 1/6) Message-ID: <10984:May1315:52:0591@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> Date: 13 May 91 15:52:05 GMT References: <10678:May918:49:1491@kramden.acf.nyu.edu <1991May11.200747.17465@scuzzy.in-berlin.de> <13May91.095814.8736@franklin.com> Organization: IR Lines: 100 In article <13May91.095814.8736@franklin.com> bill@franklin.com (bill) writes: > In article <1991May11.200747.17465@scuzzy.in-berlin.de> > src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) writes: > : brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) writes: > : >In article <1991May09.012116.5816@scuzzy.in-berlin.de> > : src@scuzzy.in-berlin.de (Heiko Blume) writes: > [Actually, a legitimate complaint, in that Bernstein > didn't bother with a trivial detail in his postings on > alt.sources that would have made life easier for many > people.] [ ... ] > Bernstein erred in not using shorter file names Perhaps, but the package only runs on BSD systems, as the top of the first posting states quite clearly. So I don't think ``would have made life easier for many people'' is right. Only someone who ports the package to System V will ever care about the filename length, and a kernel-reading package has a hell of a lot more system-dependent stuff than six filenames longer than 14 characters. [ various insults ] > In case Bernstein wants to respond to me: don't bother. I've > added you to my global kill file and I'll trash any further e-mail > from you unread. Your last message to me, which you may consider > this a response to, makes it perfectly clear just what kind of > person you are and I have no intention of wasting my time further > with you. Okay, T. William Wells, I'm not responding to you. I'm just clearing this up for comp.unix.wizards readers, since you dragged this thread into comp.unix.wizards for no reason having anything to do with its technical content. To the net, then: What Bill is referring to is a message I sent him last week. He posted something about how without full details of the tty security holes there's no way people can fix the problem. Now I've been reacting rather strongly to such statements---I *have* posted a complete fix, and as my last message should make clear, people do not need break code to understand why the fixes work. If there weren't a published fix then people would have a perfect right to complain. But this time there *is*, and I think people should take a step back and review what's actually happened here before they shout further religious stupidities. In Bill's case I wasn't even sure he'd seen what I'd posted---it sounded as if he was just jumping into the middle of the thread, with no idea of what was going on other than that somebody had said there was a security hole. So I asked him politely whether he had seen my changes; enclosed is a copy of that message. Bill's reply: ``Why, no. Your writings are so offensive that I can't stomach more than a paragraph of your noise.'' and so on. So I was right. Bill *hadn't* read the previous articles in the thread, and he *didn't* know what was going on. (He probably still doesn't.) He was simply foaming at the mouth. Is it wrong for me to be annoyed at such behavior? Is it too much to ask that people read articles before they follow up, or that they see what my security policy is before criticizing that policy? I sent Bill a final message along the lines of ``Too bad you're keeping your eyes shut,'' and he thinks that justifies further public insults, not to mention dragging an alt.sources.d thread into comp.unix.wizards just so he could blare those insults more loudly. What ever happened to netiquette? I've posted some nasty stuff about people's opinions, but taking an irrelevant (and already finished) thread and dragging it into a separate high-volume group just to scream ridiculous character insults goes way beyond all bounds of decency. T. William Wells, grow up. ---Dan Return-Path: brnstnd@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU Received: from NYU.EDU by KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27160; Wed, 8 May 91 06:12:06 GMT Received: from KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU by cmcl2.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA15950; Wed, 8 May 91 02:12:03 -0400 Received: by KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18009; Sun, 5 May 91 22:49:13 GMT Date: Sun, 5 May 91 22:49:13 GMT From: brnstnd@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU (Dan Bernstein) Message-Id: <9105052249.AA18009@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU> To: bill@franklin.com, brnstnd@nyu.edu Subject: Re: Should Dan post full details of his tty bugs? Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,alt.security In-Reply-To: <4May91.201446.4564@franklin.com> References: <26844:May100:59:2591@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> <4601@skye.ed.ac.uk> <1991May3.183159.23747@maths.tcd.ie> Organization: IR In article <4May91.201446.4564@franklin.com> you write: > For as > long as you remain ignorant of the details, you are prevented from > taking preventative action. Have you noticed that I've posted a complete fix? ---Dan