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Subject: X3J14 Holding Pattern Here
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Date: 15 May 91 02:10:19 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.
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Category 10,  Topic 12
Message 68        Tue May 14, 1991
D.RUFFER [Dennis]            at 00:32 EDT
 
Re: B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad]

 > Yah.  In my Copious Free Time, Dennis.

Mine too Brad. :(  but we will need moral support too! :)

 > The problem with writing a test suite is that it's rather hard to
 > hit a moving target.

I've been holding off on my paper for that very reason.  However, the effort
needs to get started soon.  Most of BASIS is pretty mature, and many of the
tests could be written now.

 > (Yet another argument for a "maturing" period.)

How long?  If we let it lay in the "review" period, people will loose
interest.  Already, the members of the TC are showing signs of fatigue (and
empty pocketbooks).  How much more time and money is this going to cost before
we can start trying to make money off the efforts?  How much longer can the
momentum be sustained?

 > Martin certainly deserves applause for getting ZEN15A out so
 > promptly.  (Please convey my regards and appreciation to him.)
 > And I understand that Jax is in an implementing fever right now.
 > No others that I've heard of.

I think Mitch and Greg also have internal versions running.  No one is going
to do or say much more than they have already until the end gets a little
closer.  I've talked with Martin about it, and the reason he gave me for not
releasing each one is that he doesn't want to build a user base until he is
pretty certain that the standard has stabalized.  He did 15 because it was
supposed to become the dpAns.  It didn't, so now I suspect he will wait until
they get close again.  They've already had a meet 16 and number 17 is
scheduled for a few days before Rochester (in Rochester obviously). The Boston
FIG is complaining that they want to have the October meeting, but maybe they
can say what they need to say in Rochester. It's hard to say when they will be
"ready" again.

 > BTW, there was some interest in testability around our local FIG
 > chapter, and I'll see if I can round up some volunteers for you.
 > This is the kind of task Nick Solntseff is always trying to
 > unload on this graduate students -- usually without success.

I've talked with Nick about it in the past, but the idea sort of fizzeled.  I
think it is time to renew the effort.  If you can find some volunteers up
there, it sure would be appreceated.  No matter if I give the paper at
Rochester or not, I want to get the brain juices flowing again.  I'm kind of
hoping to do it electronically (I could even offer some "services" here on
GEnie to manage it), but I'll take whatever kind of support I can get.  It
would even be interesting to see if we could get some grant money to attract
some students to it.  However, managers are needed as well as programmers. 
Anything someone can offer is appreceated.

DaR
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