Xref: utzoo comp.multimedia:447 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:3166 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!IRO.UMontreal.CA!kovic.IRO.UMontreal.CA.IRO.UMontreal.CA!martin From: martin@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Daniel Martin) Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT/Amiga Multimedia.. Message-ID: <1991May18.001444.4743@IRO.UMontreal.CA> Date: 18 May 91 00:14:44 GMT References: <1991May15.193236.4712@menudo.uh.edu> Sender: news@IRO.UMontreal.CA Reply-To: martin@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Daniel Martin) Distribution: comp Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 89 In article <1991May15.193236.4712@menudo.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes: >In article cimarron@erewhon.postgres.Berkeley.EDU (Cimarron D. Taylor ) writes: >> and there is also this nifty new ``NeXTdimension'' board which >> features 30 fps JPEG video and a lot of other mondo features which > >So the PEG bugs are fixed? It actually functions now? What's base >price on a NeXT w/ dimension + genlock + a ton of interactive multimedia, >modeling and titling software? That sound like the Mac defensive arguments "Sure the toaster is wonderful: does everything a TV studio does for less than 5000$, but have they fixed their latest bugs? Have they passed FCC? And who owns amigas... yak yak yak. For your information: NeXT Station, 100 Meg, 8 Meg ram, BW Monitor, 68040, DSP, softwares (UNIX) etc. for 4995$ list. NeXT Dimension board, 32 bitplanes, 8 bitplanes alpha channel. A really impressive card. 3995$ list. Educationnal discount available and very interesting. From: Walter Daugherity, September 18, 1990 "...The 32-bit color board has a 33 MHz i860 (64-bit RISC) graphics processor and a JPEG compression coprocessor from C-Cube, which lets you take live video and compress and store it in real time (up to 60 minutes on the optional 1.4 gigabyte internal hard disk). All standard video inputs and outputs are supported. At 30,000 polygons per second (Gouraud shading, triangular, meshed), this "true color" runs as fast as or faster than the 4 gray-level monochrome NeXT's." Software: one or two softwares directly aimed at multimedia. Geesh, a TON! Can you list some of your TON of MULTIMEDIA software? Genlocks: the NeXTDimension card can be use as a genlock with video (S-VHS) output, but I don't know yet if you can display live video in a window with it (digital). >That's what I thought. What did you thought? That the amiga offer more and cost less? Well think again. Amiga is an honest offer, but so is the NeXT. On my NeXT I have a large display, a very good interface, display postscript, Interface Builder, good sound (DSP), good object oriented languages, multimedia e-mail facilities, fax integration, etc. all standard. The amiga family doesn't. Hear, at home I have a A3000. Cost me around 6000$ CDN. Been a developer since 1986. I like it and work profesionnaly on it. But you must open your eyes and look at what's on the market. I wouldn't put a NeXT at home (yet), but neither an Amiga in my buisness office (yet). In many labs like here, UNIX, X Windows and ethernet are mandatory. Screen less than 16" are small and resolution less than 1000x1000 is unsatisfactory. When the A3000UX will be shipped with the 68040, large screen, color, DSP, etc. I wonder how much they will sell their machine. Nothing is free, and competition is harsh. Let me tell you that NeXT have set one of the most interesting price war in the Workstation market. So, what are your solutions in the 1280x1024x24 RGB display area? How much does it cost?? And don't give me any flickering solution. Video is going digital anyway. Oh, and which card do you recommend to compress video? Any C-Cube implementation on the horizon? > >Buy an Amiga, buy a Toaster, get a CDTV and developer's kit, >buy AmigaVision... :-) I hope you realize that the toaster really SAVED the Amiga, or do you? I agree that Commodore Dynamic Total Vision is a smart move, but for their sake they better MARKET IT before Phillips AND sony goes out with their systems. And what do you think of AmigaVision? It would be interesting to compare our experiences with some of our students that used it for the last 12 months... >J. Eric Townsend - jet@uh.edu - bitnet: jet@UHOU - vox: (713) 749-2126 -- // Daniel Martin Universite de Montreal \\ // MediaLab, ca vous regarde! C.P. 6128, Succursale A, \\ \\// Mail: martin@IRO.UMontreal.CA Montreal (Quebec), CANADA, \\// \/ Tel.: (514) 343-6111 poste 3494 H3C 3J7 \/