Newsgroups: comp.software-eng Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!marick From: marick@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Brian Marick) Subject: industrial engineering and metrics (was Re: bridge building and discipline) Message-ID: <1991May15.223135.12381@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <1991May9.053311.800@netcom.COM> <4563.282e83ea@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> <1991May14.150350.2837@den.mmc.com> <1991May15.180943.6796@netcom.COM> Date: Wed, 15 May 1991 22:31:35 GMT jls@netcom.COM (Jim Showalter) writes: >I find it odd that metrics have been >successfully used in just about all other industries to improve quality, >reduce risk, identify incipient problems, increase productivity, etc, but Let's be careful. For example, consider industrial engineering, where people used to measure "cost of quality". The cost of quality was calculated by adding together two curves. The first curve was the cost of shipping bad product, which decreases with increasing inspection. The second is the cost of inspection itself, which obviously increases. Businesses strived to position themselves at the minimum, the "acceptable quality level". This turns out to be a bad idea. The root problem is that it's very hard to measure the true cost of shipping bad product. For example, how do you measure low-level annoyance with rattling parts -- something that doesn't result in a warrantee charge, but may mean the customer buys another brand next time? This incomplete data then led directly to mistaken strategies. The modern approach, following Taguchi, Deming, and company, has (in principle) abandoned a measurement (cost of quality) and replaced it with a system of faith that asserts that increased quality is *always* cost-effective. In this case, the faith has worked better than the metric. I'd guess that a sizable percentage of the anti-metric camp is justifiably fearful of the effects of measuring (and, inevitably, concentrating on) the inessentials. Another sizable percentage is spoiled rotten. Disclaimer: I'm not an industrial engineer. What I know, I know from taking industrial engineering courses, reading, and being an employee of a company that's been quite successfully fanatical about quality. Further disclaimer: And, of course, even I realize my capsule summary of industrial engineering is over-simplified. Brian Marick Motorola @ University of Illinois marick@cs.uiuc.edu, uiucdcs!marick