Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!udel!sbcs!eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu!dtiberio From: dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: AMIGA Message-ID: <1991May15.205402.1844@sbcs.sunysb.edu> Date: 15 May 91 20:54:02 GMT References: <5fDh02JY072Q01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <91126.153504MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <7e7d021W074U01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Sender: usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster) Distribution: usa Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 88 In article <7e7d021W074U01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes: >In article <91126.153504MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >>In article <5fDh02JY072Q01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent >>L Shephard) says: >nExt currently has a better upgrade plan than any other machine on the >market. OS upgrades are cheap and hardware upgrades are reasonable. So your saying that a Commodore 64 owner, with an investment of $130, who gets an Amiga 3000 for $1150 off as an upgrade, is not getting a better deal than a nExt upgrade? Looks like an increase of 900% for the Commodore owner. >My nExt is not and never has been slow. I used to say the same thing about my 64 when I switched from a datasette to a disk drive....amazing how your nExt is comparable to so many fast machines. >>>BTW - For those of you who think that an '040 upgrade to the Amiga will >>>be $800. Don't count on it. Motorola wants $700 a piece for the chip $700 when you round the value up. >>>Qty 1000, paid in advance. You add marketing, development, and manufact. >>>cost and my guess is you will be well above $1400. The cheapest Mac >>>'040 board is above $2000. The Amiga 3000 has the advantage that the 68040 was being developed at the same time as the A3000, so care was taken to make it compatible more easily. >>Sorry. (I am making a superhuman effort not to type "BZZZT! Wrong!" here...) >>Announced prices by the companies that are releasing '040 upgrade boards >>average around $1000, and that's retail; "street" prices are always less >>than that. > >Announced price and actual price are very different. Talk to me when '040 >upgrades are shipping and the price is below $1000. At $700 per chip >IN ADVANCE + development cost + profit + circuit board + glue logic you >think you will get one for less than $1500 let alone less than $1000. He, >He, He, HA, HA, HA!!!!! The current cost of a 68030 Amiga accelerator card is $539, which includes a 25 mhz chip, which is sold to consumers for $289. Even in a worst case scenario, the actual card without the 68030 comes to no more than $250. Now add that to the already-bloated $700, and you will se a $950 price tag, already up a little bit. And with the fierce competition and the amount of time they have had to work on it, it will not be too expensive for long. >Don't talk tome about vaporware. If it ain't available is just ain't. You are talking as a child would. 68040 boards are not vaporware. Vaporware is when one small company announces an incredable product. We have large companies, such as Commodore (who sold more than 100,000 Amigas in England over the 4th quarter), and GVP who has marketed every possible combination of accelerator, ram, and drive controller possible with the most effieciancy. Then we have Supra (by no means a weak company), and then the smaller 'vaporware' companies. I would like to have seen you arguing last Thanksgiving when the nExt was not yet released. 'No it isn't vaporware, it just isn't available yet'. You make it sound as though every new product will come as a shock. Maybe all products should be considered vaporware that are not yet released today. That is the reasoning why I think General Motors will go out of business nExt year; they haven't made any of nExt years cars available yet! Talk about vaporware, from the largest company in the world... >>/ Mark "Remixed for Common Household Appliances" Sachs - MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu \ >>| DISCLAIMER: It's NOT MY FAULT. Kei and Yuri || // || >>| forced me to say it. || \X/ AMIGA || >>\== "I think this calls for some diabolical laughter! RAAH HA HA HA HA HA!" ==/ >/* -The opinions expressed are my own, not my employers. */ >/* For I can only express my own opinions. */ >/* */ >/* Kent L. Shephard : email - kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com */ -- begin 644 dh3:uploads/killchip M```#\P`````````"``````````$````_`````0```^D````_,_Q```#?\)HLH M>0````1![@%"(%!*D&<``'8B:``*(`EK\`R10VAI<&;H#*@`"````!AEWB0\4 M`!```)2H`!@B/``(``"2@B)H`!`@"="I``1*D6<.#(``"```9```,B)18.B3F MJ0`$DZ@`''`(2$`M0``^D((A0``8<@!![@`B