Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: Domain/OS and OSF/1 Message-ID: <1991May13.162224.27752@alphalpha.com> Date: 13 May 91 16:22:24 GMT References: <517ba29f.3593b@digital.sps.mot.com> Organization: none Lines: 77 In article <517ba29f.3593b@digital.sps.mot.com> chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes: >OSF/1 1.b: >Platforms: > All 040 based workstations. Sigh. >User Interface - Cut and Paste Visual Editor > An OSF/1-based editor along with OSF/Motif modifications (startup files > and macros) that provides a *DM look and feel* {in bold letter > originally} are {sic} planned. The features planned for this editor > include: I am dubious. I'd dearly like to see the spec for this editor. I've long since stopped using the DM, but if I were to use it the main things I'd want are complete keyboard control of the interface and full customization. I think the only reasonable way to get that in this time frame is to start with an existing editor. > both a client and a server. DCE File System (DCE/DFS) networks operate > under a client-server model where there is a small set of designated > servers that make their file systems accessable to all, and a large > number of clients that typically use their local disk space for caching Unfortunately that model doesn't work well for low-budget, small networks. Or for easy system administration. > Version 4.0 can be used to manage OSF/1 binaries and source files. HP is > claiming their own OSF developements use Domain DSEE to manage the > binaries {at Chemsford or at Ft. Collins?} Chelmsford I believe. > o Network wide file system: The AFS provides a single network wide file > system, very similar to that of Domain/OS. But where the Domain/OS Not according to what was said above :-). > o Cut/paste visual editor: There are a number of X-based visual editors > currently under consideration for inclusion within the HP OSF/1 > operating system. All of them offer similar features to those found > in the DM editor in the Domain/OS, including cut and paste > capability. These X-based editors will be enchanced to be more like > the DM editor. HP seems to be under the misconception that the main feature of the DM is that it does cut and paste. > o DM infinite undo: Although mwm offers undo capability, it does not > keep an infinite history. The infinite undo capability could be added > to mwm at a later date. "mwm" doesn't offer infinite anything. It's a window manager, not an editor. I note that there is no talk here about adding DM functionality to mwm. > o Kep mapping: With mwm there are startup files to define key mapping. True, however more mwm functions are necessary before mwm comes close to the DM in terms of window management functions. > o Input/output pads: The X window system and mwm do not currently > support the concept of pads backed by data files on disk. The windows > managed by the mwm are backed by buffers in memory and have a limited > size (that is configured by user startup files). A window manager > that uses files on disk to back up windows could be developed at a > later data. { That is not what we want, we'd like the stacking > behavior of (input) pad } First of all this has nothing to do with mwm - it's purely a feature of the terminal emulators. As they say, xterm allows a backing store and that store can be specified at config time. I don't know the limit, but I suspect you could set it to 64K or so. (The DM's aren't infinite either, BTW.) The Korn shell, as I've mentioned before, does provide some of the DM-type editing functionality - all it takes is a little more work. Visually stacking commands is harder, but not impossible. -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.