Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!wuarchive!uwm.edu!linac!att!princeton!phoenix!bskendig From: bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: The `correct' way to use MacTCP with System 7.0 Message-ID: <9572@idunno.Princeton.EDU> Date: 15 May 91 15:15:56 GMT References: <9549@idunno.Princeton.EDU> <1991May14.232949.16950@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991May15.145105.2573@covax.commerce.uq.oz.au> Sender: news@idunno.Princeton.EDU Organization: Starfleet Academy: Princeton University Lines: 76 In article <1991May15.145105.2573@covax.commerce.uq.oz.au> bellamy@covax.commerce.uq.oz.au writes: >In article <1991May14.232949.16950@agate.berkeley.edu>, steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield;232HMB;3-6292;;MF62) writes: >> In article <9549@idunno.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes: >[fudged methos to get MacTCP to work deleted] > >> #>Until a new release of MacTCP is, um, released, this is the only way I >> #>know of to get it to work, and I've had no problems with it so far. > >> Your method is what NCSA recommends. However, other problems with >> MacTCP are reported. Apparently, while it is running, your Apple >> menu does not work properly; ... MacTCP >> also does not work with virtual memory. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Apple menu problem is a bug in NCSA Telnet 2.3. The problem is fixed in 2.4. The problem with virtual memory is something I hadn't heard of before; can anyone shed some light on this? >> So, yes, it will work, but no it doesn't work perfectly. Works perfectly for me as long as I just put the MacTCP cdev in the System Folder proper, not in the Control Panels subfolder. Like I said, this is because some TCP applications look for data in the MacTCP file itself, and they expect the file to be in the System Folder just like it was under System 6. You can drop an alias of the MacTCP cdev in the Control Panels folder if you need to access it yourself often. >I find this absolutely incredible. ... >If MacTCP needed to be fixed why was not a MacTCP 1.1 updater available >before or with System 7 release. It doesn't `need' to be fixed. MacTCP could have been made a godly little cdev after billions of dollars of research had been spent on it, but as long as it's not in the System Folder, TCP applications are gonna have problems. >Is this a case of Apple extolling the development community to get their >software ready for Apple's great new OS but ignoring its own software >compatibility. Maybe they had more important things to worry about, and they decided that since MacTCP worked anyway they could put it off until later when they had the time to add other things to it as well and spare people the work of making two upgrades when they could get away with making one? >Note also that the AppleShare server for 7 will not be >available until September/October (current version is incompatible with >Multifinder [it says so in the manual] and MF is the only finder in 7) So AppleShare doesn't run under System 7.0. So what? You can have a network full of 7.0 machines, and just run the file server under whatever version of 6 came with the AppleShare disks. No problem -- no incompatibilities. AppleShare is supposed to run on a dedicated machine; why do you need to have MultiFinder on a machine whose sole purpose is serving the network? >I do hope that when MacTCP 1.1 or whatever is release that it is free to >owners of 1.0.1/2, and that an updater may even be posted to the net. (In >Australia we have to wait weeks/months for new software). Seeing as how Apple's never done this with other software, I don't expect them to start now. I really don't understand your gripe: what do you need MacTCP to do that it doesn't do right now? Put it in the right place, and turn off virtual memory if that's causing difficulties (okay, so maybe that's a bug if there really is a problem there), and you should be all set. << Brian >> | Brian S. Kendig \ Macintosh | Engineering, | bskendig | | Computer Engineering |\ Thought | USS Enterprise | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU | Princeton University |_\ Police | -= NCC-1701-D =- | @PUCC.BITNET | "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?"