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From: Fran.O'gorman@f94.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Fran O'gorman)
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Subject: Re: Calling All deafies!
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Date: 14 May 91 13:56:03 GMT
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[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Jess,

 JO> programs...one problem, though, is that you need an M.A. degree to
 JO> teach deaf, there are no undergraduate programs. My thought is,
 JO> why should people be able to teach hearing kids with an
 JO> undergraduate degree, but have to get a masters to teach deaf??
 JO> (Or am I wrong and you DO need a masters to teach hearing??) No
 JO> big deal about this, except there is a discrepancy here...

No, everybody in education winds up having to get the old masters
except the "old timers" who were "grandfathered" out of that
requirement (the requirement didn't exist when they started so
aren't held to the new rules).  Speech therapists, everybody
EXCEPT physical therapists (not sure about the Occupational ones
--they're so similar).

You might get the job with a BA or BS but to get permanently
certified you have to get the M.A.  That's true for all of us
whether teaching the hearing, deaf, or anybody else.

When you consider the pay, it sometimes doesn't seem fair (and
with elementary, you wonder how necessary) but that's what just
about all the states require for permanent certification.  I was a
public librarian (and not a school one) already had my masters in
library science, but when I entered education (and the only way my
district was allowed to hire me, as uncertified, was to show the
state they had attempted but failed, to find a certified person)
then I had to get certified, my credits had to be evaluated by
Albany and further credits would be required if my curriculum was
not up to snuff.  Luckily I took many electives in education and
education related areas (such as psychology) and so I only had to
take one more course.  My two years of work under the observation
of the principal counted as my student teaching and my 3rd year
clinched it, so now I'm fully and permanently certified in NY and
my district granted me tenure.

Only thing now, is that my district is contemplating a merger
(with a larger one) which (if they do) would close down the high
school and then all us teachers will be out of jobs, and they're
laying off teachers right and left in all the other districts, so
all these lovely credentials won't do me much good if that
happens, unfortunately.

I know one science major who already got her masters and all, and
still couldn't find a job and has just been substitute teaching
while searching.  It is not a good time for education here in NY
I'm afraid, hope it's better in the other states.

--Fran

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