Xref: utzoo news.admin:14359 news.software.b:7764 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!dylan From: dylan@ibmpcug.co.uk (Matthew Farwell) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b Subject: Re: Really funny jokes being missed Message-ID: <1991May15.142106.636@ibmpcug.co.uk> Date: 15 May 91 14:21:06 GMT References: <282FD655.3D2A@tct.com> <5ukZ24w164w@mantis.co.uk> Reply-To: dylan@ibmpcug.CO.UK (Matthew Farwell) Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK. Lines: 52 In article <5ukZ24w164w@mantis.co.uk> CNEWS MUST DIE! writes: >chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes: >> According to mathew@mantis.co.uk (CNEWS MUST DIE!): >> >"Model net.citizens" do not hack the news software to silently discard >> >articles which it is perfectly capable of delivering. >> Quite. Which is why G&H have done no such thing. >> True, C News drops articles on the floor. But it logs having done so, >> and it notifies the Usenet administrator in the output of newsdaily. >So what the hell use is that? None of those Usenet administrators told *ME* >about it, and I'm the one who has to fix my software. [ As a bit of background, we are mantis's main feed and we are the site that dropped six of their articles ] I did tell you. I have a mail message sitting in my outgoing folder to you and 7 other news administrators who we exchange news with to the effect that cnews now drops articles which are badly formatted. Its dated April 30th 1991. Do you want me to resend it to you? If you are talking about noone telling you about cnews dropping some of your articles, then I also told you about that, within a few hours of me seeing the log message. I sent you back the log entries and told you to resend them. Unfortunately I haven't actually got a copy of that mail message but I distinctly remember sending it. I even have your reply to it somewhere. >> Geoff and Henry have done the Right Thing. >Rubbish. Throwing away data containing correctable errors, without issuing >any warning message, is NEVER the right thing. But it *did* issue a warning message. It was logged. Look, put it this way. You say mail should be sent to the originator if my site can't correct it. Who will pay for this? From July it'll cost me (if I remember correctly) about 7.5p/k for international outgoing mail. A quick grep through my log files for dropped articles reveals that most of them (say 90%) are international addresses. I get an average of 20 dropped articles a day. Taking the average length of a mail message back to the sender to be 1k, this would cost me about 18*7.5 = 1.35 pounds a day ~= 500 pounds/year. Are you going to pay that for me? If not, then who is? I'm not going to. This figure doesn't even include phone bills. >> Don't shoot the messenger. >There was no messenger. C News didn't tell me, remember? Yes, but I did. I warned you in advance. I told you when your articles had been dropped. Dylan. -- Matthew J Farwell: dylan@ibmpcug.co.uk || ...!uunet!ukc!ibmpcug!dylan You can't kill me, I'm a genius!!!!