Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!stanford.edu!neon.Stanford.EDU!news From: news@solitary.Stanford.EDU (System test) Newsgroups: rec.skydiving Subject: Re: High altitude landings Keywords: hang gliding comparison Message-ID: <1991May16.164338.6112@neon.Stanford.EDU> Date: 16 May 91 16:43:38 GMT Sender: news@neon.Stanford.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Stanford University, California Lines: 26 Someone asked the question of how landing a parachute at 9500 MSL differs from the behavior at sea level. It's already been mentioned that the only real difference is that all the speeds (descent rate under canopy, forward speed and speed to flare) increase by the square root of the the ratio of air densities - or about 20% at 10,000 ft. While I've not landed a parachute under such circumstances (only paragliders at or near sea level), I have landed hang gliders at high altitude and think the experience is similar enough to be germane here. Specifically, while 20% doesn't sound like much it can really affect your flare timing significantly. I tend to flare by the "feel" of the wing (i.e. its readiness to stall) but nevertheless I sometimes inadvertently use ground speed as a secondary cue. This is a bad thing and can make one flare way too late if it's not recognized. Landing at high altitude when done properly is just as "soft" as on the sand at the beach, but requires an earlier more aggressive flare at a ground speed that always looks "too fast". Be aware of this factor and you should do fine. I guess the best comparison I can make is to note that a high altitude landing is a lot like a dead wind landing on a hot runway at low altitude. If that experience seems straightforward to skydivers then a landing at 10K ft ought to be as well. Later, Fred Vachss (one of those guys who only wears a parachute but never uses it)