Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdcad!amdcad!military From: Al.Conte@EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Air to Air F-15 vs. F-14 Keywords: Bat Turn Message-ID: <1991May16.052631.17354@amd.com> Date: 15 May 91 15:48:44 GMT Sender: military@amd.com Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Lines: 33 Approved: military@amd.com From: Al.Conte@EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte) >From: >Regarding the F-15 and an F-14 in a 1 v 1 dogfight, actually, the F-15 cannot >easily defeat the F-14. They're more pon equal ground with the difference >being in the quality of the pilot. F-14 Tomcats have been known to defeat >F-15 Eagles in dogfights in 1 v 1, or multiple. One of the outstanding >reasons for this is the F-14 Tomcat's ability to bat-turn among its >other maneuverability factors. For those of you who do not know what a "Bat Turn" is, it is nothing more than standing the Tomcat on one wing, in full burner and pulling the stick to your stomach. It equates to a 7 - 8 g turn rate, something that any F-15 can do also. A manuever that the Eagle developed that cannot be duplicated by the Tomcat is an upward spiraling while accelerating move. It takes a tremendous amount of excess energy to do this, and is said to be a formidable air to air tactic. The F-14 is a superb platform, as time has shown, but if you ask any pilot what he would rather fight in, they would say the F-15 eagle. It's performance is superior in all flight regimes compared to the Tomcat. Two pairs of eyes aside, (we could argue that for eternity) equal capable pilots in each plane, the F-15 would win almost all the time. Give Miramar NAS a call, they will tell you the same. peace! Al ~