Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdcad!amdcad!military From: fsdjt2@thebox.rain.com (Dean Tabor) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: European fighter designs Message-ID: <1991May17.063344.1835@amd.com> Date: 17 May 91 04:15:56 GMT References: <1991May16.052804.17718@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: TheBox - Public Access Xenix Lines: 27 Approved: military@amd.com From: fsdjt2@thebox.rain.com (Dean Tabor) > General comment: the importance of dogfights is vastly overestimated. > 80%+ of all victims of air combat never even see the attacker, much less > have a chance to maneuver against him. I don't think it's vastly overestimated to the 20% of pilots who do see their opponent! Going on pure facts and figures, this logic would mean it makes more sense to have heavilly armed long range interceptors with little/no true fighter capability, a concept that has been proven wrong time and time again. It reminds me of a part of an interview I saw with Gen. Robin Olds, USAF. It seems that when then Colonel Olds was doing a stint at the Pentagon, he was raising a stink about the F-4 not having a cannon integral to the airframe. He was told in no uncertain terms by his superiors that "that sort of fighting will never happen again." Later, over Viet Nam, Olds and his GIB were in it hot and heavy. The GIB was a young lieutenant and was understandably nervous. Olds told him "kid, don't worry about it. I've been told by the high brass this isn't happening." -- Dean Tabor No Electronic Affiliations To Speak Of Anymore fsdjt2@acad3.fai.alaska.edu