Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!aero-c!nadel From: rivero@dev8a.mdcbbs.com Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Clothing Message-ID: <1991May13.142534.1@dev8a.mdcbbs.com> Date: 13 May 91 14:25:34 GMT References: <1991Apr27.120803.29765@nntp-server.caltech.edu> <1991May8.133550.14685@psych.toronto.edu> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: McDonnell Douglas M&E, Cypress CA Lines: 45 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org In article <1991May8.133550.14685@psych.toronto.edu>, chris@psych.toronto.edu (Christine Hitchcock) writes: > > > It's *possible* that this isn't a sexist view, merely a shallow one. Do > you judge movements in general by the dress of their members? > Call me shallow, but I tend to avoid the guys with the Swastikas(sp) on their sleeves. :-) > You seem to have missed a major feminist complaint, namely that women's > attire has traditionally emphasized her sexual attractiveness over > comfort and utility. I agree, and I argue (in other posts) that not only has this imposed certain unfair standards of worth on women, but it has pre-conditioned men to respond to womens clothing instead of to the women. As to "utility" in clothing, I have a fondness for flight suits with zippered pockets ( and if you've ever flown with me, you'll know WHY!:-<) and prefer to wear them unless a clients dress code deems otherwise. IMHO This is a nice practical garment for either sex. > If you judge whether you like a woman by whether > she's wearing pants, or is dressed attractively, Wearing pants, or dressed ATTRACTIVELY?!?!?!?!?!?!? This implies a judgement on your part that women in pants cannot be attractive. Let us not, in our haste to remove old prejudices, invent new ones! > then perhaps you're also > happy being treated like a walking wallet and be judged for your nice > sportscar. > I drive an economy car, but the wallet is in GREAT shape. You can see it bulging inside my flight suit pocket. :-) Mike ========================================================================== \\\\ Michael Rivero | "I drank WHAT!" | "THIS PORTION OF SIG | \ (. rivero@dev8a.mdcbbs | Socrates ------------------- UNDER | )> DISCLAIMER::: |-----------| | CONSTRUCTION | == "Hey man, I wasn't | | | (pardon our | ---/ even here then!" | | | white-out) | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------+++++++++++++++