Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!think.com!paperboy!hsdndev!husc6!endor!mason From: mason@endor.uucp (Richard Mason) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Turing Test: opinions on an idea Message-ID: <6812@husc6.harvard.edu> Date: 19 May 91 03:06:55 GMT References: <1991May15.003627.23521@mp.cs.niu.edu> <1991May15.055331.10631@cs.ubc.ca> <53693@nigel.ee.udel.edu> <14926@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@husc6.harvard.edu Reply-To: mason@endor.UUCP (Richard Mason) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 50 I think many people (here and elsewhere) read way too much into the Turing test. The Turing test is not a rigorous definition of intelligence. Nor is it a method of measuring intelligence (as if "intelligence" was a thing you could objectively measure at all!). What the Turing test is is a pragmatic argument, aimed at people who do not think a non-human machine (*by virtue of being a non-human machine*) can possess intelligence. The line of argument goes: (A) Essentially everyone believes, with an ultra-high level of certainty, that other human beings are conscious, intelligent entities. (B) Almost everyone would assert that, whatever consciousness and intelligence are, they are not dependent upon physical appearance, physical capabilities, etc. Almost everyone would therefore agree, upon reflection, that the decision that another human being is intelligent can be made without reference to what they look like, etc. (C) THEREFORE, IF you cannot tell the difference between a human and a non-human (e.g. a computer) without examining their physical appearance, THEN you must extend the same courtesy to each. That is, if you accept that the human is sentient, then you must also accept that the computer is sentient. Since there was no detectable difference in the "evidence" that each one offered up, to do otherwise is to admit that your judgement is irrational and not based on evidence. NOTE: There has been no attempt to DEFINE intelligence here; just an observation that if you think humans are intelligent, you must think entities indistinguishable from humans are also intelligent. You may disagree with the conclusion (C) if you do not accept one of the premises (A) or (B). In particular, you may assert that your judgement of intelligence *is* based on some physical feature (e.g. the presence of a network of synapses. It is foolish to talk about the time required for the Turing Test, or the testing conditions, etc. The Turing Test is not something you sit down and take in two three-hour periods, with a fifteen-minute break, DO NOT BEGIN UNTIL INSTRUCTED BY THE PROCTOR. As long as YOU, as an individual, cannot distinguish between HAL 9000 and a human being over the phone, AND you admit that everything important about intelligence should be detectable over the phone, THEN it is only fair that you give HAL 9000 the same status and recognition as you give a human being. That is all the Turing test means.