Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!aupair.cs.athabascau.ca!lyndon From: lyndon@cs.athabascau.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp Subject: Re: BITFTP grief! Message-ID: Date: 21 May 91 21:55:52 GMT References: <7V9a31w163w@phoenix.com> Organization: Athabasca University Lines: 37 stanley@phoenix.com (John Stanley) writes: >lyndon@cs.athabascau.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes: >> >> end users seem to be really pissed off now that their free ride is over. >> > Free ride? Are you now paying my bills? Hahahahaha. >> Your news articles traverse through links that are payed for by the > News? Are we talking about news or about mail? We are talking about the question "are you now paying my bills" that you made. The answer is: yes. Every site that forwards one of your postings is subsidizing your connectivity. That also applies to mail - not only do the UUCP sites help pay to get your mail delivered, but the regional and backbone networks that comprise the internet *also* subsidize your traffic. Leased lines are not free. Routers are not free. Network operations staff do not work for free. We are talking about moving data around. Whether the content is mail, news, file transfers, whatever, is not relevent. What is relevent is that your mail gets to its destination because there are other people and organizations who are willing to donate some of their resources to achieving large scale connectivity. You have no *right* to use those resources. And you have no right to tell us how to allocate those resources. Finally, you have no right to complain when we withdraw those resources, for *whatever* reason. > UUCP was connected to anonymous ftp sites via BITFTP. UUCP is no longer >connected to anonymous ftp via BITFTP. Both are facts, both verified. This does not mean that uucp sites can not get access to ftpable files. There are many many many other alternative transports available. -- Lyndon Nerenberg VE6BBM / Computing Services / Athabasca University atha!cs.athabascau.ca!lyndon || lyndon@cs.athabascau.ca Packet: ve6bbm@ve6mc.ab.can.noam As a math athiest, I should be excused from this. --Calvin