Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!dali.cs.montana.edu!Eagle.oscs.montana.edu!ieeug330 From: ieeug330@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu (Mark Wistey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Programming HELP PLEASE!!! Message-ID: <00948C2E.77DC7D20@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu> Date: 18 May 91 04:19:36 GMT References: Sender: usenet@dali.cs.montana.edu Reply-To: ieeug330@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu (Mark Wistey) Organization: MSU Lines: 38 In article , SHBOUM@MACALSTR.EDU writes: > I'm going to start doing some serious programming for the GS this Yeah! Always glad to hear that. >some suggestions my way about how to do real text under GS/OS. Not the slow >graphical text, but the good old fasioned text that has been with us all You can do text with TextTools, toolset $0C. Actually, text is nearly as easy under GS/OS as under regular ProDOS - it's just against Apple's "guidelines". (i.e. there's no way to easily set up a menu bar, and mouse movements can't automatically become text cursor movements.) If you really do need fast text, you'll have to use the old familiar routines into bank 0 instead of using TextTools, which means they have to be "shadowed" from $FFF800 to $00F800; there's a bit somewhere to do this, but I can't remember right offhand. As for books, get what you can if it's really technical. You can probably get a discount for Apple II books from most bookstores. I originally got the "Apple IIgs Technical Reference" by Michael Fischer and published by Osborne-McGraw Hill; it's not perfect, but acceptable. Now I have the first two Toolbox volumes--you're free to send mail if you need the syntax for a particular call (these are official Apple stuff). I would also recommend reading old (3+ years?) copies of technical magazines for II's like Call-A.P.P.L.E. or the old InCider, since nearly every magazine did a series on the basics of Toolbox work. I hope one of the real "gurus" gets in touch about using AppleTalk, since I'm clueless there--if you don't get the answers you need, write back and I'll track down what I can, and (maybe) buy the third volume of the Toolbox references, since it deals with AppleTalk, I think. Good luck, and may your bugs be few! - Mark > Lastly, is there any good books out there that can teach the mysteries >of the Toolbox in layman terms? I definatly don't want to start off with a By the way, are you writing in assembly? I don't know how close to "layman terms" you're going to get when discussing the Toolbox. :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Wistey... gmw1142%msu3.dnet@mtsunix1 (BITNet) | Bicycling, Apple II's, gmw1142%msu3.dnet@terra.oscs.montana.edu (InterNet) | Christ-like living, Quad D, #308, Bozeman, MT 59715, USA (BikeNet) | Music, and Physics :-)