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Subject: Re: 1 request for a tool change
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Date: 21 May 91 02:27:00 GMT
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In article <52939@apple.Apple.COM> mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes:
]In article <3574@kluge.fiu.edu> acmfiu@serss0.fiu.edu (ACMFIU) writes:
]]In article <3522@kluge.fiu.edu> acmfiu@serss0.fiu.edu (ACMFIU) writes:
]]]
]]]]all i want ... ... is for horizontal/vertical scroll bars to have
]]]]color.
]]]
]]]Any particular color?  Or, are you talking about color tables? (which they
]]]already have as of system 5.0.x).
]]]
]]]]albert
]]]
]]]andy
]]]
]]
]]do you want to tell me how to do it. if i specify either scroll bar with 
]]my window, i don't see where i can specify the colors. now, i think if i
]]create the separate parts of the scroll bar as controls then i can use
]]color tables. however, the former is much easier.
]]
]You didn't _say_ you wanted window frame scroll bars to have colors, you
]said "scroll bars" (quoted above).  Andy was pointing out that scroll bars,
]which are merely controls, have always had color tables.  If you'd reach
]up to look in Volume 1 you'd see that, but be careful -- reaching too fast
]might knock that chip off your shoulder, and we wouldn't want that.

what does the latter mean?

]What you apparently meant to ask was that window frame scroll bars (handled
]by TaskMaster) have color tables, which would require extending the NewWindow2
]parameter block.  Possible, but not all that high a priority (IMHO), see below.

yes, that's what i wanted. i figured it wouldn't be a priority. i also don't
think many people would be clammering for it when it can be done if you
specify the scroll bar type of control. i'm willing to go that route.

]]i don't want the scroll bars to be just one color. i mean any allowable
]]color, just like for the windows. personally i want the colors to be the
]]inverse of what they are now. i don't much like white backgrounds but would
]]love to have a black background with white foreground to match my window.
]]
]]albert
]
]They obviously can't be _one_ color or they'd be solid rectangles.  The
]current ones are two colors - black and white.
]
]However, the "inverse" scroll bars you talk about represent a real danger which
]we already see with some IIgs programs - windows, menus and controls that look
]like they were designed by someone fascinated with a new box of crayons.  It's
]true that the original HI guidelines were all black and white because that's
]all the Macintosh had, but the research on color since then has shown us
]several things:

at least i don't apply here. i do have 2.5 years in the printing industry
so, although i'm no expert, i *think* i have a good eye for color.

]1)  A significant percentage of people are color blind, so colors should
]    _never_ be used solely to distinguish between options.

agreed. however, i'm just talking about the default options my program
will have. there will definitely be options to change the colors. i'm just
asking because i want to make the default the way i like it. the user can
always change. i commend SnowTerm on this option.

]2)  Many people don't like some colors, so leaving things black and white and
]    letting users color them how they like is the optimal solution.

yes, i agree. that's why i want the window frame scroll bars black/white,
except i want the current color represented by the window frame scroll
bars reversed. this is just me. i happen to love black/white and would
rather not have *any* color in my life (and i'm not color blind).

]3)  Brightly-colored windows and icons (unless colored by the user) are often
]    distracting and interfere with productive work.  You'll notice that all of
]    the new color icons in System 7.0 use very subdued colors (grays, browns,
]    some blues, purples).  I've seen GS desktops full of brightly-colored
]    icons and they always make me feel like I'm looking at a coloring book.

oh yes. there is nothing worse than people (i.e. AOL) shipping their programs
and just highlighting the icons some obnoxious color. the first thing i do
when i get an icons is make the color white. coloring the border is nice
but the entire icon is too much.

]So, in general, leave your windows and controls standard colors or provide an
]option to let people color them however they like.  Forcing your preferences
]on them is worse than leaving them the neutral colors they get by default.
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albert chin