Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!ads.com!sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!zwicky From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Backup while in multi-user mode Message-ID: <1991May21.172208.281@erg.sri.com> Date: 21 May 91 17:22:08 GMT References: <1991May20.123129.14433@forwiss.uni-passau.de> <1991May20.204327.17694@erg.sri.com> <690@silence.princeton.nj.us> Sender: news@erg.sri.com Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA Lines: 18 The "we'll just do live backups over and over again" theory suffers from a common problem with security through redundancy; common mode failures. All the backups may fail the same way if the same file is always active when they're running. The easiest way to do this is to accidentally get the backups synchronized with a cron job or a very predictable human, but you can get the same effect with a very long-running program. Thus, you can backup something a few hundred times and have all the backups missing the same file. This is Not Fun. Using tar instead of dump buys you extremely little. tar will skip active files, which means they won't corrupt your backup. This is its sole advantage, and its only an advantage over some versions of dump. It will *also* skip files with names that are too long; depending on the version of tar you are running, it may also exhibit various nasty other problems dump doesn't have. On the whole, dump is safer. Elizabeth Zwicky zwicky@erg.sri.com