Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!samsung!crackers!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!zahle.wpi.edu!shari From: shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam Subject: Re: What makes one a Muslim? Message-ID: <1991May17.165640.259@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: 20 May 91 17:12:17 GMT References: <1991May14.112213.16715@wpi.WPI.EDU> <1991May16.170038.24414@wpi.WPI.EDU> <1991May17.135919.10966@wpi.WPI.EDU> Sender: news@wpi.WPI.EDU (News) Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 119 Approved: shari@zahle.wpi.edu Originator: shari@zahle.wpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zahle.wpi.edu In article <1991May17.135919.10966@wpi.WPI.EDU> 2fntnougat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Ian) writes: > >In article <1991May16.170038.24414@wpi.WPI.EDU>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled Soufi) writes: >> As far as I know, the *minimal* property for someone to be muslim is the >> following: >> >> MUSLIM <==> believe that there is only ONE GOD and Muhammad is his >> messenger >> >> --khaled > >Thanks, Khaled. > >Would other people on this section say that this is generally accepted by all >Muslims, or is it just for Khaled's particular branch of Islam? > >On a related note, is it true that someone converts to Islam by declaring in >front of two Muslim witnesses "There is One God Allah and Muhammad is his >prophet"? >-- >Ian Chai Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu Bitnet: 2fntnougat@ukanvax That above statement that Kahled stated is enough for a person to be a Muslim. This statement includes the commitment of a person to base all his actions and beliefes in its context. The level of beleife afterwards will depend on how much the Muslim indvidual obediance towards Allah (God) as the only god. Walid ----- From daemon@ncar.UCAR.EDU Wed May 15 03:22:50 1991 Received: from ncar.ucar.edu by wpi.WPI.EDU (5.65/4.7) id AA11449; Wed, 15 May 91 03:22:47 EST Received: by ncar.ucar.EDU (5.65/ NCAR Central Post Office 04/10/90) id AA11240; Wed, 15 May 91 01:22:43 MDT Received: from uunet.UU.NET by ncar.ucar.EDU (5.65/ NCAR Central Post Office 04/10/90) id AA11226; Wed, 15 May 91 01:22:40 MDT Received: from relay1.UU.NET by uunet.uu.net with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-uucp-primary) id AA12680; Wed, 15 May 91 03:22:35 -0400 Received: from cs.utexas.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15164; Wed, 15 May 91 03:22:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.101) To: uunet!soc-religion-islam@uunet.UU.NET Path: cs.utexas.edu!helios!eemips!lateef From: lateef@eemips.tamu.edu (Afroz Lateef) Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam Subject: Re: Why Allah? (Why not). Message-Id: <16230@helios.TAMU.EDU> Date: 15 May 91 07:20:33 GMT References: <1991May9.114157.21740@wpi.WPI.EDU> <1991May10.134212.27802@wpi.WPI.EDU> Sender: usenet@TAMU.EDU Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 57 Status: OR In article <1991May10.134212.27802@wpi.WPI.EDU> reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy) writes: > >In article <1991May9.114157.21740@wpi.WPI.EDU> lateef@eemips.tamu.edu (Afroz Lateef) writes: >> >>I come from India, and over there if one says God, then the question >> will be : which God. Hindus beleive in numerous Gods, god of fire, >>god of light, god of destruction, death, wind, rain etc. etc. >> > > As a Hindu, when somebody says God, I don't get that nitpicky :-). >If you say you believe in Allah or God, I would respect your belief and >not judge whether it is right or wrong. I would be happy that you have >found your path to God. Hence you are wrong in your statement about what >Hindus believe in. Very simply put, while Hindus worship God in different >manifestations, at the core of Hindu philosophy, there is belief in the >oneness of God. To make a blanket statement as you have is to display >ignorance about the subject. Of course, in Hinduism the beleif is in the uniqueness of GOD, who is the creator or pure energy. But don't hindus beleive that God created Brahma and Visnu and Shiva, and that these three are also considered Gods by Hindu beleivers? Isn't Brahma considered as God of creation, one who gives birth i.e one who creates humans and earth etc.(for 4 yugas and then goes to sleep?) Isn't Visnu considered to be God who protects/sustains? (that's the reason why he is considered to come on the earth in the form of Avtaars) Isn't Shiva considered the God of Destruction? Although there is uniqueness of God in Hindu beleives, but still within it isn't there beleives of the above 3 to be Gods? don't the people consider that to reach/realise God, these are the various paths. if u say that the three cited above are not considered to be Gods, and Hindus beleive only in the unique god, that is pure energy then I thiink u are right and I am wrong. > Just like many Muslims like to point out the mistakes that >non-Muslims make about Islam, I would like readers of this newsgroup >to be more careful when making statements like the one above. I appreciate ur concern, but I don't see any mistake in the statement made. >T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com) Mohammed Afroz Lateef