Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uunet!mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!ucl-cs!news From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Turing Test: opinions on an idea Message-ID: <1575@ucl-cs.uucp> Date: 25 May 91 16:38:14 GMT Sender: news@cs.ucl.ac.uk Lines: 32 In this thread Kuhn's work has been cited. Popper (?) has suggested that physics is method of constructing models that describe the physical world. The model and reality are always distinct. The model approaches reality, as Newton was "falsified" when Einstein came along. Special Relativity improves on Newton and with Quantum Mechanics gave some predictive power, eg muon decay. Now superstring theory is poised to make General Relativity and Quantum Theory "false"; well it will unify the two, since a Quantised General Relativity Theory has eluded scientists. If we form AI models, they will only be approximations to (any) real intelligence. This will never change, now matter how good they are. So the Turing Test will always fail, given time. However, the Test could prove of some use in the way that Eliza (Doctor) did - "you can fool some of the people some of the time". The Turing Test Quotient (TTQ) is a metric based on the amount of time before 1000 (say) people can spot it is a computer. This will be a log scale measure. Within an average of 5 mins is 1 unit, with an average of 50 mins will be 2 units and so on. I guess a 3 unit computer might be of some real use. ____ Gordon Joly +44 71 387 7050 ext 3716 Internet: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk UUCP: ...!{uunet,ukc}!ucl-cs!G.Joly Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT No more pork sausages!