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From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: GEM Windows/Stay-resident program
Message-ID: <1991May24.182259.21330@imada.ou.dk>
Date: 24 May 91 18:22:59 GMT
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uace0@menudo.uh.edu (Michael B. Vederman) writes:

>In article <1991May23.102120.938@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>>marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Marco) writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone happen to have any code on sensing if there's a GEM window on 
>>>the screen from within a stay-resident (auto folder) type program. Maybe 
>>>there's a C function?
>>

<Claus gives a simple solution, w. a team of a TSR and ACC >

>>Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,			Things. Take. Time.

>There is also a section of lower memory used by the AES which tracks
>windows and their various attributes (including whether or not they are
>open).

Yes, ofcause there is! All programs have vars that keep track of what they 
are doing! 

>This area, however, is not documented, is very ROM dependent, and would
>be called an _illegal_ method of determining such by Atari Corp.

If Atari ever told where these things were and the meaning of the variables,
It would probaly mean that Atari not intended to upgrade GEM/TOS anymore,
so lets hope, that it never becomes legal...

>If you are a hacker, you might want to mess with this, otherwise, a TSR
>can never find out the answer to such a question....  Although, one might

NO YOU WOULD NOT!! WE DON'T NEED MORE BAD SOFTWARE!!!
There is not enough hacker in you - a real hacker would not spend hours,
trying to figure out what a bit in os-private-area is doing. A real hacker 
would monitor wind_close,wind_new,wind_open. (and tell everybody that it 
don't work from the desktop).

>Don't write me asking for more info!  I will ignore any request for further
>details.  I've probably said more than my friends at Atari would like...

Real friends tell you when to stop!

-It is very bad pratice to use anything, that make Atari look bad when they
release something good (new Tos,Gdos,filing system,...). 

Klaus, micro@imada.ou.dk

>- mike