Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!dgp.toronto.edu!georgen Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm From: georgen@dgp.toronto.edu (George Ng) Subject: Re: looking for alternative to TOPS, Summary Message-ID: <1991May24.111453.23722@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Keywords: tops, system7, mac, sun, appletalk, telnet, appleshare Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto References: <1991May21.141343.571@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: 24 May 91 15:14:53 GMT Lines: 100 In article <1991May21.141343.571@ifi.unizh.ch> schaerer@ifi.unizh.ch writes: >A few weeks ago I asked: > >> 1. Will TOPS run under System 7? (I heard no.) >> >> 2. Is there an obvious alternative to TOPS for a network with Mac's, >> Sun's and PC's (all on Ethernet)? >> >> 3. Specifically, is there a software that allows PC's to access AppleShare >> servers over Ethernet? (We consider installing CAP on our Sun servers.) > >I received two replies, caught a few postings on the subject, and did some >further investigation. There seem to be three solutions: > >...(text deleted) > >Daniel Schaerer, University of Zurich/Switzerland >schaerer@ifi.unizh.ch I knew I should've kept up with my reading of the Mac newsgroups but only after I posted an earlier msg. about our problem with the "three t's" (ie., appleTalk, Telnet, and Tops) did I then notice that there were others who had similar problems...I've learned my lesson! :-) I've received a few replies this morning. I'm sorry -- I promised to 'summarize' but I'm on a tight schedule, so I have tried to edit as much of the original messages as possible so they don't take up that much space, but while retaining much of their valuable content. First, part of my original post: ---------------- From: George Ng Subject: System 7 + NCSA Telnet 2.3 - need AppleTalk Phase 2? Date: 24 May 91 03:52:17 GMT I've been seeing conflicting reports on whether or not phase 2 is needed for telnet on the Mac. We're sort of in a predicament right now in trying to decide whether or not to upgrade to System 7 because of our current setup with the Suns that we connect to for filetransfers/Mac backups: Mac IIs Sun 3s System 6.0.5 <----> Gatorbox <----> SunOs 3 Telnet 2.3 AppleTalk Phase 1 TOPS 3.0 So here's the problem: Assuming we upgrade the Macs to run System 7 and assuming it requires Phase 2, what can we use to replace our current TOPS with? Definitely not the new TOPS because we'll need to upgrade the Sun end...perhaps some other file transfer program, but what? --------------------- Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 03:49:14 -0400 From: Michael Daether To answer your question: We have NCSA Telnet Version 2.3.4 MacTCP in the BYU Version (including FTP client). If I remember correctly it is available from dcsprod.byu.edu (128.187.7.3). Also we are using tn3270 Version 2.3d19 MacTCP, available from brownvm.brown.edu (128.148.128.40). Both programs work without complaints (until now!). Oh, by the way our MacTCP is Version 1.01; and AppleTalk Phase 1 is from EtherTalk Installation v D-2.01 labeled Version 1.2. I put MacTCP in the Control Panels folder, EtherTalk Phase 1 in the Extensions folder and MacTCP prep is put into the System folder itself. I hope these informations do help you. I don`t know if it matters, but I also copied the router to system 7.0 and it is working fine. ------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 09:40:38 -0400 From: cohill@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Andrew M. Cohill) I am using Telnet 2.3 (byu hack) to send you this note, while I am running System 7. It works fine; the main thing is to update your Ethernet card drivers. If you don't, you may have trouble with the Chooser, but Telnet does not use that anyway, so even that's not a problem if Telnet is your main concern. -------------------- Date: Fri, 24 May 91 08:16:14 MDT From: sverre@lars.Seri.GOV (Sverre Froyen) We had a similar problem -- Tops running on a Sun3 plus a number of Macintoshes. I decided to take a look at CAP and was _very_ pleasantly surprised. I installed CAP (configured for Native Ethertalk) on a Sparcstation and was able to mount Sun directories on a Mac running System 7 using its builtin appleshare (?) software. In fact the mounting procedure is much easier than with TOPS. Our Suns are running 4.0.3 but my understanding is that CAP also works with 3.2 and above. Also, we use a Fastpath 4 rather than a Gator box, but again they should both work. Finally, although MacTCP for System 7 is not yet available, I was happy to see that telnet_ntsc (the version that does not use MacTCP) works fine with System 7. -------------------------------------- Thanks to all who replied. george