Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!linac!att!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU!info-mac-request From: info-mac-request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #116 Message-ID: <9105241830.AA05021@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Date: 24 May 91 18:30:13 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Organization: The Internet Lines: 723 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Info-Mac Digest Fri, 24 May 91 Volume 9 : Issue 116 Today's Topics: [*] Bootman [*] Extensions Manager [*] FCB Monitor [*] ftp primer [*] Teac Utility 1.1 desk accessory 7 is not your lucky number: Reactions APS' APT Color Pain Programs Customizing the System 7.0 Finder Dangerous Tip!!! ELM under A/UX Mac Classic running Sys 7.0 and APS Quantum P105S Macintalk MPW 3.1 NO 4-bit icons when Highlight color is "Green"/System 7 PostScript Sys 7 made Quantum HD80 Invisible? System 7 (what else these days) Truetype Banners Weird Bugs The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 15:31:37 MDT From: Bob Bolt Subject: [*] Bootman This is Bootman, a utility for changing heap space, file control blocks and OS events. [Archived as /info-mac/util/bootman.hqx; 16K] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 01:21:29 GMT From: norton@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Norton Chia) Subject: [*] Extensions Manager Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes: >Hi, > This is in response to those who were asking for a copy of the Extensions >Manager, by Ricardo Batista, to be uploaded. Well, here it is. This file >will allow you to turn INITs, cdevs, and System 7.0 extensions on and off. >logan -- OIT User Service UNC Chapel Hill >[Archived as /info-mac/cdev/extensions-manager.hqx; 21K] Those not using System 7 may find it helpful as well since it works well with System 6.0.x by putting turned off INITs and cdevs in a folder, *NOT* merely changing their type. Cheers, Norton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 15:20:14 MDT From: Bob Bolt Subject: [*] FCB Monitor Thanks to all who responded to may problem with too many files being open on an AppleShare server. I got a copy of Up Your FCBs, but was warned that it is a little buggy. I received an excellent alternative in a cdev called FCB Monitor. It seems to work well and not only lets you change the file control blocks, it reports how many files are currently open. Another very good fix sent was a utility called Bootman. It lets you change the FCBs as well as OS events and heap size. I am sending both of these excellent utilities for the archives. In addition, someone suggested that I should reduce the number of suitcases on the server by combining fonts and DAs into one suitcase. Apparantly, this is done by copying the resources into one suitcase using ResEdit ( I haven't tried it yet, but the guy says it works well). Thanks again to all who helped. Bob [Archived as /info-mac/util/fcb-monitor.hqx; 17K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 23:40:21 -0700 From: Raymond Beausoleil Subject: [*] ftp primer About six weeks ago, Bob Jopson of Bell Labs asked me to write a short article on the rudiments of "ftp'ing" for "Optics and Photonics News," the monthly magazine for members of the Optical Society of America. He certainly didn't ask *me* because I am an expert; rather, I'm a fairly typical user who knows just enough Unix to ftp, read mail, etc. With much help, I managed to write the two-part article below. The first part covers the ftp process itself, while the second part describes some approaches to downloading and decoding Mac and MS-DOS files from a Unix host to your microcomputer. In particular, Mac folks can find out how to get mcvert up and running on their system. The article below is somewhat longer and more detailed than the edited version that will appear in O&PN. Regards, Ray Beausoleil [Archived as /info-mac/report/ftp-primer.txt; 20K] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 21:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: dplatt@snulbug.mtview.ca.us (Dave Platt) Subject: [*] Teac Utility 1.1 desk accessory This little utility is designed as an accessory for people who own tape-backup drives which use the popular Teac MT-2ST cassette mechanism (150 megabytes, plus or minus a bit). It monitors and displays the drive's status and error-log, and can thus give you some advanced warning that your tape drive's heads are dirty and need cleaning, or that your tape is wearing out. Instructions are included. --- Dave Platt [Archived as /info-mac/util/teac-da-11.hqx; 18K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 18:43:50 -0700 From: RSAUNDERS@hssi.dnet.hac.com Subject: 7 is not your lucky number: Reactions I would to thank the 35 people who sent my mail concerning the "get info on the trashcan" checkbox to toggle trash warnings. I obviously asked the question wrong to Apple. Since a number of people thought that was what my message was about, I think I should restate my concern in a more compact manner. I like much of the way in which System7 has been distributed by Apple, especially the idea of a compatibility checker. I am not upset at how Apple handled the process, I was expecting more impact from a major system revision. I work on my Mac a great deal, and I consider the ability to customize the Mac to match my situation the primary differentiator between it and other workstations I might use (Sun, NeXT, ...). I might be willing to give up customization for features, if the features seemed incompatible with customization. However, I don't understand why customization is incompatible with file sharing, publish/suscribe, virtual memory, or balloon help. If I wanted to pick a fast, cheap computer and I wanted to tough it out with a user interface designed to convince novice users to buy the system, I would use Windows 3.0. Although 13MB is greater than 8MB, it is not enough to load all the programs I use. As a result I cannot just open everything at power-on and hide the programs I am not using (Yes, I like "hide" alot, back as far as Finder6.1). I would want to use virtual memory to avoid having to wait while programs load themselves and display their happy version messages. Yes, I understand that Apple thinks virtual memory is a finder-in-the-dike until you buy more RAM. Alas, it could be so much more. I understand that ResEdit is not the be-all-and-end-all of user friendly preferences updating tools. In fact I think that Preferences control panels are the only civilized way to do things. Too bad Apple doesn't agree. I knew, when I entered the post, that you could patch the hex of an "fmnu" resource to change menus. However, I took checked out the description of ResEdit 2.1 and found that even in the new release Apple does not intend to release templates which define what all these resources do. I took some offense at this and posted a bit more drastic flame than might have been necessary, to point a glaringly offensive omision that I hope they fix soon. Let me offer the following list as a start of the "System7 tricks" that I would like to see people figure out. As I discover them, I'll post tricks (but probably just in a file interested parties can download): 1) Kill zoom boxes. 2) Complete templates for Finder resources. 3) Make the defalt for copy floppy to hard disk be "Doit" not "Cancel". 4) Large and small icon spacing. 5) Change date formats in list views to "MM/DD/YY". 6) Change column widths in list views, truncating long type names. 7) Change order of columns in list views (I couldn't do this in 6.0.7). 8) Add key equivalents to Finder menus. In my opinion, many of the "features" of System7 are so infrequently used as to hardly be worth the effort Apple must have spent on them. In this list I include: 1) Bubble Help, although it is darn cute. 2) Installing fonts automatically, Font/DA Mover was OK by me. 3) Adding user file classes when they always appear after mongo-long dates. 4) Adding Icons to Control Panel and DA names. Finally, I would like to keep commentary on System7 in this forum. I think the Mac-System7 list is a cool idea for quick comments and answers. However, that list is not moderated or digestified. As a result it is nearly impossible to find things that you read in the past. More involved discussions should take place in a refereed forum, where you will be able to find them in 3 months when you decide to switch to System7. Randy Saunders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 19:35:31 CDT From: "sendhil revuluri" Subject: APS' APT Hello all. Could someone please explain the difference between hard and soft partioning? Which is the one that makes big files that aren't files, but partition place- holders? And is Alliance Power Tools (comes with every APS drive) a hard or soft partitioner? On the same note: should one optimize before using VM, as you should when partitioning? Is SUM Partition hard or soft? And should we get a Mac Classic 1/0 or a 2/40? Either way, we are buying an APS 105 MB Quantum (external) hard drive. Price, memory, expandability, etc. issues are important. (Does the 2/40 ship with System 7.0?) For the answers to these and other questions, please email me in a day or two. (To those gurus who are itching to answer: Please do so vial email, to the address below.) If there is lots of interest, I will summarize to the net. Thanks! Sendhil Revuluri revu@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 2:03:12 CDT From: Your friendly neighbourhood Lab GTA Subject: Color Pain Programs Oops, that should be "Color Paint Programs" 8-) I am in the market for a cheap color paint program. I have test-driven a friend's copy of MacCheese 1.05. I found the manual hilarious, and the program has some really nice features like anti-aliasing, but I decided not to get it after all, because I couldn't customize the pattern palette, the color LUT, and the small color set palette. It was also hard to pick a specific color because it doesn't use the standard color picker, and was hard to change some other things like the size of the picture or its pixel depth. So does anyone have any recommendations? I'm not looking for a $400 professional package but rather something along the lines of a color superpaint or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 15:46:14 SDT From: "Alexander Falk (ALF)" Subject: Customizing the System 7.0 Finder The new Finder for System 7.0 has indeed been completely rewritten (in C++) and this is the very reason why none of the old ways to customize the Finder with ResEdit work anymore. There are, however, a couple of things you can actually do with ResEdit in the new Finder, too. The menus are stored in resources of type 'fmnu' (they include quite a bit more information than would fit in the regular 'MENU' resource type) and here is how you can edit them: Use ResEdit (preferrably 2.1, but it should also work with older versions) to modify the ResEdit Preferences file (in the Preferences folder inside your System Folder) by adding a new resource of type 'TMPL'. Create 15 new fields in the list and enter the following values for "Label" and "Type": Label Type Comment Visible DWRD 1=Menu is visible in Menubar; 0=invisible Item Count DWRD the number of items in the menu plus 1 ??? DWRD ??? Menu Number DWRD the resource ID of the 'fmnu' ??? DWRD ??? ??? DWRD ??? Title ESTR title of menu (padded to an even length) ***** LSTB begin of item list AppleEvent TNAM corresponding AppleEvent for this item ??? DBYT ??? ??? DBYT ??? Cmd Key CHAR keyboard equivalent of command ??? DBYT ??? Item Text ESTR text of item ***** LSTE end of item list Please note, that a "???" indicates, that I simply don't know what these fields contain (maybe they will one day be documented by Apple). Once you've entered this list, close the 'TMPL' resource you've just created and change it's name to 'fmnu' (using the "Get Resource Info" command). Finally close and save the preferences file. You are now ready to edit the Finder's menus! There is, however, one tricky thing to actually do this: you have to create a duplicate of the Finder, edit the copy, and finally replace it in the System Folder and reboot. While the above technique will actually give you the same freedom of customization that you already had in the 6.0.x days, there is lots more you can do with the new 'fmnu' resources: 1) The 'fmnu' resource type is NOT position-dependent anymore! This means that you can actually completely REARRANGE the menus in the Finder. All you need to do is make sure that you copy all the information stored in the various fields of an item to it's new destination (copy/paste can be a lot of help here!). You can even create your own menu and move commands from other menus to the new one! 2) If you find yourself getting annoyed by the fact that you always have to go through a lengthy duplicate/edit-the-copy/replace/reboot sequence to try out a new variation, the following might be a tip for you: you can actually add a "Quit" command to the Finder! Here is how: Open the "File" 'fmnu' and add 2 to the number of menu items (Item Count); Copy a separation line and append it to the end of the menu; Create another new item at the end of the menu; For this last item put 'quit' in the AppleEvent field, -127 in the next field (the one labeled ???), and finally "Quit" in the item text field. What this actually does is tell the Finder to send a "quit" AppleEvent to itself every time you choose that command from the menu. If you now want to customize the Finder, life is suddenly easy: just launch ResEdit; switch to the Finder; Quit from the Finder (doesn't that sound weird?!); edit the Finder from within ResEdit; Quit from ResEdit (once you quit the last running application the Mac will relaunch the Finder); voila - you are back in the Finder and didn't even have to reboot in order to see your newly customized Finder. By the way, all the above assumes that you know how to use ResEdit. If you don't, please don't attempt this, as it might damage your Finder. Which reminds me: it is always a wise idea to keep a backup of your original Finder (just in case something goes wrong....). I will post more Finder customization tips as soon as I understand the other new resource types..... Happy Seven-Oh-ing, (A) (L) exander (F) alk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 09:56 EDT From: "Mark Nutter, Apple Support" Subject: Dangerous Tip!!! Chip Eckardt writes: >If your Mac freezes up on you after booting reboot with a bootable System >6.0X disk. Look for a folder in the main window on the hard drive called >Desktop Folder. Delete this folder and reboot. This worked with beta >7.0 lockups. Chip, that's a good idea, but you forgot to mention what's IN the Desktop Folder. I have a number of documents/applications dragged out onto my desktop for quick access. System 7 (for some reason) moved all those files into the Desktop Folder. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but it seems to me that a user who just "delete[d] this folder and reboot[ed]" might lose some important files that way. Mark Nutter [manutter@grove.iup.edu] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 17:44:04 EDT From: "Mark A. Steggert" Subject: ELM under A/UX Greetings. I am writing in hopes that someone in netland can advise me as to the most likely causes for a problem that I'm having in getting ELM to operate under A/UX 2.0.1. The package as I have it currently installed will both send and receive mail messages, however I am not alerted when new mail messages arrive. Is there a flag that I need to set on sendmail in /etc/inittab or elsewhere? Any help would be very much appreciated as I am a new to the A/UX environment. Mark masst9@unix.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 16:48:18 CDT From: rcook@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Robert Cook) Subject: Mac Classic running Sys 7.0 and APS Quantum P105S Can anyone confirm that the Mac Classic will run System 7.0 from an APS Quantum Pro105S using Power Tools 1.13? If I install from another machine, everything is fine. When I hook the HD back up to the Classic, System 7.0 behaves "normally" until I try to copy a file from a floppy. The machine then hangs with the select light for the HD on. The drive is then trashed, and will not reboot to system 7.0. (requires a reformatting on a different machine.) Copying files works fine with this drive on a IIcx. Is there something wrong with my Classic? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 2:15:26 CDT From: Your friendly neighbourhood Lab GTA Subject: Macintalk Donald Peterson's search for a Mac program that reads text out loud reminded me that this facility came out with the mac way back in '84 or so, in the form of Macintalk, but that in recent years, Macintalk seems to have been abandoned by Apple. In fact, most of the Macintalk-using programs I had died with 6.0.5 and I think the rest of them went with sys7... Why??????? Apple coulda boasted that Mac was the only computer that *came* with built-in speech synthesis... but no, they let it fall by the wayside. (If anyone knew of how to use Macintalk with Sys7, I'd appreciate the info.) Ian Chai Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu Bitnet: 665instr@ukanvax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 1991 19:39:44 PDT From: nicky@apple.com (Nick Pilch) Subject: MPW 3.1 > System 7 is going great for me, except for one latent surprise: >clicking on my recently purchased MPW 3.1 resulted in a dialogue >telling me it was time to upgrade. WTF?!? Then I noticed mentioning >that the upgrade wouldn't be available until June. BBT. > Then, like most people probably by now, I started to wonder just >how 7 was able to be so biased. It wanted version 3.2, not version >3.1. Version? As in vers-ion? Whip out ResEdit! > What I did was copy every resource out of the existing MPW >shell into a new document, setting its info to the correct type >and such as well, and then messing with the vers resources so that >they read 3.2 instead of 3.1. Hopefully this isn't too terrible >illegal... I might see this e-mail in court again. I doubt if this is illegal, but if you do it, don't say you weren't warned! There's good reasons why the system goes through the extra trouble of warning you about MPW. You may have problems with FileShare and VM and other things. Again, this is probably not a wise thing to do. Run MPW 3.2 or later on System 7. Disclaimer: Apple Computer has nothing to do with what I say on the net. Nick Pilch Development Systems Group Apple Computer nicky@apple.apple.com AppleLink: NICK.PILCH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 00:29 CDT From: Stark Raving Subject: NO 4-bit icons when Highlight color is "Green"/System 7 Well, "fortunately" for me, I have been at home the past two days, nursing a sick person, and this has given me plenty of time to do System 7 testing. Now this is repeatable, even off a freshly installed System Folder onto a blank partition, with no inits,etc. When I select the highlight color "Green" in the Color CDEV, I lose all my 4-bit color icons. I.E. The Apple, all icons, Special Folders, etc. ALL turn black and white. I can select any other color, and the all come back. I can even select a color as close as I can tell to the "Green", and all the 4-bit color icons come back. They also come back if I set the video mode to 8-bit with the Monitors CDEV. To repeat: in 16 color (4bit) mode, when I select the predefined color "Green" for Highlight color, I lose all Icl4 displays (no color icons, apple, folders, etc.) If I switch to 256 color mode, or select any other Hightlight color, they come back. Strange, huh? Also, the About this Mac.. box is all in b&w as well, and it STILL shows my SE/30 as having 2 internal floppy drives. IT IS TEASING ME! Setup - Mac SE/30 Micron 8-bit color card, Micron Monitors CDEV extension, freshly installed System 7 onto a blank disk, selected "Software for SE/30". Greg Trimper Strange@Things.brewing.on.my.mac ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 14:14 -0700 From: burton@cs.sfu.ca Subject: PostScript SendPS doesn't work under System 7. (Similarly, OzTeX can't print. For me this is the real problem.)) 1. Does anybody know how to print postscript files? 2. What does one do about adding a laser prep (e.g. for printing on a Unix machine) now that there doesn't appear to be an explicit laser prep? Warren Burton, Simon Fraser University, burton@cs.sfu.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 01:01:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Mills Subject: Sys 7 made Quantum HD80 Invisible? System 7 has made the internal Quantum 80Mbyte hard disk drive in my SE invisible, unaddressable, or else has physically damaged the drive. My configuration: SE, Radius 25 Accelerator & two-page display, 4Mb memory, Quantum 80Mb HD The sequence of events: 1. Installed Sys 7. Would not boot, hung regardless of configuration of Radius 25/TPD. 2. Used Sys 7 disk tools to reinitialize the internal Quantum drive. 3. Installed Sys 7 on Quantum drive, booted without Radius 25/TPD; everything worked, saw balloon help, read about $2/minute charge for users who didn't buy "upgrade Kit", saw "Rock-solid" logo, etc. 4. Rebooted with Radius 25 but *not* TPD; everything worked. 5. Rebooted with Radius 25/TPD; system hung. Now for the REALLY BAD NEWS. 6. Rebooted again -- and the icon for the internal Quantum HD was GONE! 7. Repeated 6 several times: the Quantum drive light goes on, but the startup drive is not found. The flashing disk w/ question mark comes up. I have other devices on the SCSI bus (an everex disk & tape drive); they work, so I suspect that the internal HD is *probably* physically OK. It may be that reformatting the internal drive with the System 7 hard disk setup program has created a "Catch-22" situation where the drive can't boot because it can't recognize itself... None of the versions of Apple's hard disk setup programs can find the internal drive, so I can't reformat it for an earlier system. Is there any way to force the drive to be recognized? Or software that reformats "invisible" drives? Or should I reset PRAM? Take some obvious & trivial action to bring the drive back, somehow? When & if I figure this out -- or until someone provides a working solution to this problem -- or I find that coincidentally the drive blew *just* after installing Sys 7 -- I'd advise against trying for a "clean" install on a customized Mac. Something is very wrong somewhere with System 7. I'd sure like to know how to recover from it so I can get my drive back & return to System 6.0.5. I know Apple can't check every configuration, so this is not a flame -- and I *did* back everything up -- but who would have expected to lose the internal Quantum HD from the desktop? Sincerely, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 1991 17:47 CDT From: Stark Raving Subject: System 7 (what else these days) Hello all. First - One of the problems that I said I was having with Sys7 was the balloon being cut in half - that was due to the TB2/R init. Mystery solved. Second- Things I like - 1. Duplicate XXX produces XXX Copy, NOT Copy of XXX!!! Good job! "Copy of.." took things out of alph. order, and that always annoyed me. 2. The overall directory Listings - I always liked name view, but then you could not see Size/Free amounts. Now you can turn that on! Also, I simply LOVE the arrows to view the heir. of folders. Click - expand. Click - collapse. I kept HFS Backup around just for that sort of functionality in directory listings. Nice job, again. Third - Problems 1. Compactor Pro. in the Dialog box to Add.. to archive, the return and enter keys DO not add the highlighted item to the archive, as the default button {Add}, and performance under sys6 suggest it would. I sent Bill Goodman a note on this, but maybe he will read it first here. Has anyone else noticed this? 2. Is there a fix for INIT/cdev 3.0? It does not find all the inits. Fourth- Picky Problems - 1. Hey, Apple, when I choose "About this Macintosh" it shows me an icon of an SE with 2 floppy drives built in. Now, While I wish that I could have two internal floppys AND an internal HD like I was able to have with the SE (that was so convienent), the design of the SE/30, which is what I have, prevents that. I just think that if I only have one floppy drive, it should show me an icon with just one floppy drive. There is an icon in the System with just one floppy drive, but mine shows two. (config - SE/30 8/80 with external CD/ROM, Tape, and HD, and external 800k floppy, however, disconecting the ext. floppy does not solve the prob). 2. WHY CAN'T I HAVE "Physical Icons" for the floppies anymore? Or can I? I can't find that option anywhere. 3. Set Startup is missing. How can I set apps/DA's to starup with the mac? 4. Switching apps - With Sys6/OnCue, I was able to switch between apps under multifinder by the keyboard or by clicking the icon in the menu bar. Now I have click, drag, release. Why can't we simply rotate between open apps? That was a very nice feature. Fifth - ResEdit. Okay, I was able to modify keys for menu items easily enough, but try as I might, I can not get rid of zoom rects. I have never liked this feature (useless waste of time, ESPECIALLY under sys7 where my once fast SE/30 is slowed down visibly by all the animation, etc in the finder.) I tried modifying AND simply removing the FAni and RECT resources, but no luck. Are these the wrong resources? Or do I have to set just a particular byte to 00 or 0F? Anyone? Sixth - New Victim - Insignia's Multi-Driver INIT/cdev does not work with virtual memory. Seventh-Can I prevent the Finder from "Rescuing Items", i.e. the ResEdit scrap file, every time I run ResEdit? Thanks for the time, Greg Trimper Trimper@Lawrence.bitnet, and many other. Disclaim and alarm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 91 2:08:58 CDT From: Your friendly neighbourhood Lab GTA Subject: Truetype Banners Does anyone know of a banner program that takes advantage of the fact that now with TrueType we could do banners on the Imagewriter at 72 dpi? The one from CE software still uses 72 point version of the font and big pixels... Ian Chai Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu Bitnet: 2fntnougat@ukanvax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 20:07:15 -0400 From: Steve Eisenberg Subject: Weird Bugs I have a Mac SE 30 with 4 meg ram and a two page display and internal Quantum 80 meg hard. I have been getting erratic behavior out of the machine I get many bus errors, micro processor not installed, out of memory, and other strange error messages like these. If I attempt to open the application enough it will open, but often it takes 4 or 5 attemps after restarts. When I collect all the "stuff " on the hard disk and put it into a folder and get Info i have 40+ meg although get info for the disk says I have 73+meg used. I have looked at it with resedit and mac tool and have found nothing. I have my system on an external hard drive because when I install the system on the internal it acts even screwier than it does now. Any hints ?????????????????? Steve Eisenberg steve@csmil.umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 16:18:51 EDT From: phssra@unix.cc.emory.edu (Scott R. Anderson) Connie K. Cho writes: > I haven't gotten 7.0 yet, since I don't know whether I should ftp it or > get it from the campus bookstore ($150 CDN!). Are the manuals worth it? For those who feel more comfortable with additional System 7 installation guidance, and for those who don't want to figure out the new features of System 7 haphazardly, there are a number of third-party books already available which are good substitutes for Apple's System 7 documentation. The following info comes from recent issues of MacWeek: General information: "The System 7 Book", Ventana Press, 388 pp, $22.95. "The Macintosh Bible Guide to System 7", Goldstein & Blair, 253 pp, $12. "The Little System 7 Book", Peachpit Press, Inc., 160 pp, $12.95. More specialized: "The Macintosh Font Book, 2 ed.", Peachpit Press, Inc., 350 pp, $23.95. (Includes updated information re TrueType.) "System 7 Revealed", Addison-Wesley Publishing Co., Inc., $22.95. (For programmers.) Scott Robert Anderson phssra@emoryu1.{cc.emory.edu,bitnet} gatech!emoryu1!phssra ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************