Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!gross From: gross@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Mondo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: System 7.0, Strike one, two.... Message-ID: <1991May22.181741.10096@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 22 May 91 22:17:41 GMT References: <5878@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> Organization: Univ. of Miami - Info Resources Lines: 116 In article <5878@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul BIG-EARS Menon) writes: > hi, > Gripe 1: > My Rodime 200Mb drive doesn't talk to me any more! I formatted > the thing just for Sys 7, then upgraded the driver and wham! that's > the last I've heard from it. The Mac refuses to boot with it on the > SCSI bus (Sad Mac Error code 0F, SubCode 01, and some lovely music). > I can't reformat the critter, nothing, grrrr! Dunno anything about that...all our HD's work fine. > Gripe 2: > This VM restriction on removable cartridges could be one reason > why we will stop acquiring Macs. Removable media is the only way > we can allow students to use local HDs on Mac IIs without risk of > viruses (They can then be responsible for their own data). You mean you give out whole HD's to students? Geez...it would be a lot cheaper if you just used the Disinfectant INIT on local HD's. We've been doing it for awhile now and have had nary a problem with viruses. > memory > hungry System 7.0, in its wisdom has decided not to allow VM (swap) > on this type of media. The dangers of having swap on removable > media can be easily obviated. This simplistic solution will not do! > I'd like to hear of a solution soon, or else. This is no threat, > this is reality speaking. No, file serving will not do either. > We want connectivity, not dependency. And for whatever would you want VM on student-access machines anyway...I dunno about Australia (but since it is closer to Singapore), but real RAM is pretty cheap. And what has file serving got to do with VM anyway? > Gripe 3: > Yep, I tried the whizz bang attention grabbing, > make-an-alias-of-yer-disk-and-access-it-from-anywhere trick. Too > bad it wasn't tested thoroughly. I just happened to use it on > a machine with a hard disk of the same name, and guess what? Yup, > it opened the local disk! Now, it may have been that the (equivalent > of) chooser name was the same as well, but wow, you'd think it > wouldn't be that simple to fool. Well it does that because it checks volumes mounted in order from local to networked. So when whichever it finds first, that's the winner. The simple solution is to rename your hard drives...not a big problem in my view. > Gripe 4: > We use communications a lot here => we use MacTCP. System 7 is not > System 7 until MacTCP is VM and 32 bit clean. I could forgive > some poor 3rd party developer, but Apple?? > Gripe 5: We use MacTCP too. Works fine for us. Then again, we don't use things like VM. I prefer real RAM myself anyway. > A new 8.24GC driver - VM and 32 bit clean - when? Real soon now. :) Actually I am sort of intrigued that a good deal of Apple's network products all need to be upgraded in some fashion. And I suppose if Apple could, they would've delayed release until they could've. Still, though, I figure someone should've checked this out beforehand. > Gripe 6: > A small 3rd party developer - delays may be acceptable, Symantec? no. > 90% compatible? Is that like being 90% a virgin? Who thought of > the number 90? I think it was the Arabs...needing a number to continue after they got to 89. :) > > There are two outstanding features of System 7 which everyone has been > itching for, VM and 32 bit clean functionality. Neither Apple or > Symantec have come clean on this. The system is 32-bit clean and has the VM functionality. And, they aren't high on my wishlist of features for a new system. As for other Apple products and Symantec not being totally compliant, well, I don't have the answer. :) > > It isn't as though System 7 was a surprise to everyone, so why didn't > folks get it right? You wanted time, you got it. > > Right now, to me, System 7.0 is unusable. Oh just stop using VM for the time being and I'm sure you'll be much happier. You really don't need all that extra psuedo-RAM right now do ya? :) > > Oh well, I guess I can look at the pretty icons... someone did a spiffy > job. They look the same on my SE. :) > > Paul Menon, > Dept of Computer Science, > Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, > 124 Latrobe Street, > Melbourne 3001, > Victoria, Australia. > > pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au > PH: +61 3 660 3209 -- Jason Gross Comp Sci Ugrad University of Miami Class of '91 (?) =========================================================================== Hey, wanna save the world? | Got sumtin' to say? gross@umiami.bitnet Nuke a Godless, Communist, | Pick and choose! gross@umiami.ir.miami.edu gay whale for Christ. | gross@miavax.ir.miami.edu - Anonymous | jgross@umbio.med.miami.edu =========================================================================== The University of Miami has a lovely fountain.