Xref: utzoo sci.electronics:20414 sci.geo.meteorology:472 misc.consumers.house:18847 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!ucbvax!pasteur!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa2.lbl.gov!jtchew From: jtchew@csa2.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.geo.meteorology,misc.consumers.house Subject: Re: using the bathroom during lightning storm Summary: A ground by any other name may have impedance not the same Message-ID: <13568@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Date: 24 May 91 23:17:22 GMT References: <1991May23.223109.19908@cbfsb.att.com> <1524@cvbnetPrime.COM> <1991May24.210108.9982@solbourne.com> Reply-To: jtchew@csa2.lbl.gov Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 32 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 X-Local-Date: Fri, 24 May 91 15:33:53 PDT >Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the metal plumbing in your >house grounded? In theory, yes. The cold-water system is often regarded as one of the best grounds in the house. However, gotta watch the broad statements. The drain/waste/vent plumbing, which includes the waste stack below the toilet and the vent pipe above it, is trending towards ABS, a rugged plastic, in many areas. Also, metal D/W/V pipes are often joined by rubber connectors. The cold water supply might also include plastic (PVC) links, so the only grounding there, at some points, would be by virtue of the water's conductivity. Various systems are often mixed by do-it-yourselfers or even contractors without caring about electrical matters. Significantly, my cold and hot water pipes and gas pipe were bonded together (at the water heater) at the behest of the electrical inspector (who regarded the D/W/V pipes as a don't-care), not of the plumbing inspector. So here's a scenario: the best lightning target on a roof might well be a piece of metal D/W/V pipe going down to a toilet, but thereafter grounded only by a spark + water path through the toilet and into the cold-water system. And/or other good grounds nearby. A weenie roast, so to speak, seems improbable but plausible. Remember that at a few tens of kiloamperes, fractional-ohm differences get really significant. --Joe "Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"