Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!spool.mu.edu!mips!apple!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: daveg@prowler.clearpoint.com Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Air to Air F-16 vs. F-18 Message-ID: <1991May23.063202.18031@amd.com> Date: 21 May 91 12:25:07 GMT Article-I.D.: amd.1991May23.063202.18031 Sender: military@amd.com Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748 Lines: 42 Approved: military@amd.com From: daveg@prowler.clearpoint.com From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen) AJM> This brings to mind a minor (near) historical event. Iran & Iraq both AJM> had F-14's, They both also had Anti-Ship missles from various sources. Wrong. Only Iran purchased F-14s. Currently they seem to be used only as radar platforms, and approximately a dozen are expected to be flying due to lack of parts and qualified maintenance personnel. Iran purchased 87 F-14s, of which 86 were delivered. (the actualy number might have been 83; it's been a while since I looked it up) Iran is the only other country in the world to have F-14s besides the U.S. Iran has (large quantities of) Silkworm missiles, and Iraq has been shown to have Exocets. Iraq may also have Silkworms. AJM> A little later the 'real' truth did finally get published, that they AJM> DID have a delivery system for EVERYONE of these classes. What our AJM> safety margins were was the low 'skill' level of the pilots, the AJM> failures of the 'manual' launch system, and the high effeciency of our AJM> air crews, ageis cruisers, and radar operations. You could most likely adapt the weapons points on an F-14 to carry anything. Hacking up a firing system isn't all that difficult either. What IS difficult it providing targeting and steering information to the missile if you don't have the proper "black boxes". THAT is what the Navy, etc. has said. Many missiles can be fired blindly, and seek their own targets -- I think Exocets can do this, and would suspect Silkworms can too. By modifying the missile system as you suggest, you certainly DO lower the safety margins involved. The F-14 in its present incarnation is not designed to be an attack aircraft -- it can do it, but it's not in the manual. Tomcat-21 (or some of the other variants) will allow full attack capability. -- "Look, folks, you can't save everyone. | Dave Goldblatt [daveg@clearpoint.com] Just try not to be living next to | Software Engineering (Subsystems) them when they go off." | Clearpoint Research Corporation - Dennis Miller | 35 Parkwood Dr., Hopkinton, MA 01748