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From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
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Subject: Re: Book Review: Against Our Will
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Date: 21 May 91 23:05:58 GMT
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In article <7906@alvin.mcnc.org>, ge@mcnc.org (George Entenman) writes:
> In my opinion, the point she is making is *not* that all men
> are rapists, but that all men *benefit* from the actions of
> rapists.
> 
> But I submit that we all *benefit* from rape

I disagree with this claim.

> It's not hard to imagine how we "nice guys" benefit.  Women
> need us to escort them at night or in dangerous areas.

This is a benefit to the male? That's like saying I benefit from
robbery because I get to pay to put extra locks on my door.

> We
> fantasize about rescuing grateful women from a rapist.

Irrelevant. First, it's a fantasy, and doesn't count in reality.
Second, if there weren't rapists, we'd fantasize about rescuing them
from a robber / killer / etc. Third, how many of the male homosexuals
reading this have such fantasies?

> We get to post understanding articles to this
> newsgroup and to feel accepted and needed by women.

This is bogus. Most net males don't post such notes, and therefore
clearly do not get this "benefit". Others have no need to be accepted
or needed by "women" (there's only 1 woman I need any acceptance
from).  Still others can be accepted and needed by "women" without
having to resort to comforting them about rape.

> And many
> men benefit from having wives and girlfriends who are not free
> to move about at night, for example.

Again, this is a _benefit_? I find dealing with this for my wife a
burden that I would be rid of without a moment's hesitation. It's like
paying insurance premiums - a costly necessity.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          <-- Another casualty of applied metaphysics
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan