Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: St Paul and Women Message-ID: Date: 26 May 91 07:20:06 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article James.Quilty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (James William Quilty) writes: and circumcision >was a condition for salvation in OT times ! (read the OT !!!) > In order to enter into the covenant with God, a man was to be circumcised, but where was salvation promised? Paul really stressed the point that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness, even before his cirumcision . Paul also said that the jews stumbled at the stumblingstone (Christ) because they sought the righteousness of God by the works of the Law, rather tthan by faith. > The God I worship doesn't differentiate between men and women >in any way (and I know that there is enough Biblical precedent >for this !) and neither will I ! - discrimination on the basis >of sex is ILLOGICAL (and I really want to see a LOGICALLY >constructed argument (i.e. first/second order predicate >calculus, or whatever) to say that discrimination IS logical !) Paul bases his logical conclusion on the fact that God differentiated between man and woman's role at the fall. Are men and women different? Then why can't they have different roles (particularly when these roles are ordained by the Lord.) Are men and women exactly alike? Can men have baby's (normally.) Let me put it this way, did God design or designate men for having babies? No. God did designate certain men for authority positions in the church. link hudson