Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: mejicovs@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Sotah 49a-49b Message-ID: Date: 27 May 91 03:25:40 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article panix!wlinden@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Will Linden) writes: >[Will seems to be confused about something I also found a bit odd. >The original comment was "I can not understand the rationale for >claiming that an atheist who sneers at Torah and halakah but made >the right choice of mother is somehow MORE Jewish than Moshe Rosen." >Chris Redmond then explains to us that we are inappropriately using >Christian concepts. You are Jewish if you are born Jewish. Of >course this would leave the "Messianic Jews" Jewish, and it's the >denial of this that started the whole discussion. --clh] > > THEN WHAT IS THE WHOLE %$@!%!@% CONTROVERSY ABOUT? It seems to be saying >to "Messianic Jews"-- "You are Jewish because you were born Jews-- unless >you say you are." I and no one else are disputing that Joe Applegate and David Buxton are halachically Jewish (provided that they are born of Jewish mothers). What I am disputing is the fact that they teach that their faith is reconcilable with Judaism. They use this lie to trap Jews who are less educated (ex. Soviet Jews) into believing that they can still be Jewish even though they believe this other. Converts to other religions and those that wordship idols are banned from all of the activities that make up Judaism. They may still be Jewish in that they are breaking Jewish law, but they are considered as criminals by that same law. Xian theology and Jewish law are categorically in conflict with each other. That has been proven in *many* posts on this group and on others. James mejicovs@eniac.seas.upenn.edu