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From: ziane@nuri.inria.fr (ziane mikal @)
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Subject: Re: Turing Test: opinions on an idea
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Date: 27 May 91 14:43:20 GMT
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In article <1575@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
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>In this thread Kuhn's work has been cited. Popper (?) has suggested
>that physics is method of constructing models that describe the
>physical world. The model and reality are always distinct. The model
>approaches reality, as Newton was "falsified" when Einstein came
>along. Special Relativity improves on Newton and with Quantum
>Mechanics gave some predictive power, eg muon decay. Now superstring
>theory is poised to make General Relativity and Quantum Theory
>"false"; well it will unify the two, since a Quantised General
>Relativity Theory has eluded scientists.

You can have a complete model of a part of reality ! Actualy a model
of reality only makes sense for a subject that is interested in something.
Thus depending on what the subject is interested in, the model could
be considered complete.

>If we form AI models, they will only be approximations to (any) real
>intelligence. This will never change, now matter how good they are.

It depends on what interests you in intelligence. There is no absolute
definition of intelligence.

>
>So the Turing Test will always fail, given time. However, the Test
>could prove of some use in the way that Eliza (Doctor) did - "you can
>fool some of the people some of the time".

This is an extremely surprising conclusion !
You assume that there "exists" a "real intelligence" and that
the Turing Test requires to have this "real intelligence" to pass it !
What about this:
In order to play chess like a International Master(IM) you need to possess
the "ability of an IM". This ability cannot of course be modelled completely.
Thus you will never have computers playing at such a level.
Thus Deep Thought does not exist !

I was kind, I could have replaced IM by 1600-rated and make your own
chess computer vanish !


Mikal.