Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!crash!pnet01!uzun From: uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: 486 clone vs. Amiga 3000 (* YES I SAID 33mhz 486! *) Message-ID: <1991May29.051603.14676@crash.cts.com> Date: 29 May 91 05:16:03 GMT Sender: root@crash.cts.com Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA Lines: 46 [] >>Eric Lee Green Writes: >> Are you sure you're not talking about a 33mhz 80*3*86 system? 33mhz 80486's >>only recently became available, I thought. >> >>In any event, note that: with the AMI motherboard, you need at least 2 >>banks of RAM to do interleaved access (i.e., get decent performance with >>that cache), that the 40mb HD you're talking about is probably a cheap >>Seacrate MFM or RLL drive with a huge interleave and a peak transfer time >>somewhere between a stumble and a crawl, that the VGA controller you're >>talking about is the bottom of the line 640x400x16 VGA with about 60 >>waitstates for each access to its onboard memory (no, I'm *NOT* joking, >>with a fast processor it really DOES need that many wait states)... in >>other words, maybe the processor is going fast, but it sure does have a >>slimeball of a system built around it! An extra Meg of Memory Costs $60.00 from here in town. The 40Mb HD is by Western Digital and is an IDE type. Of course it is cheap-o stock VGA. But I just pointed out that 80486 systems are cheap, at least in this area, 33Mhz 80486's that is. 25Mhz are even cheaper. The cost to upgrade the system to a 100M connor IDE drive is $400. To 1024X768 SVGA is another $250.00. So to re-iterate a system more to your needs: 80486 W/ 4Mb of RAM, 512k SVGA card & SVGA monitor, 100M Conner IDE drive, 80486 at 33Mhz AMI motherboard with 64k cache is $3325.00 The base system, that is stock VGA (640X480 16 colors on a 16 bit VGA card) with 1M of RAM and a 40Mb Western Digital IDE drive, costs $2475.00 Note if you do not need an AMI motherboard, there are cheaper 33Mhz 80*4*86 systems to be had in this area. Not that I like the systems mind you, just that I look around and see they are CHEAP! -Roger UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!uzun ARPA: crash!pnet01!uzun@nosc.mil INET: uzun@pnet01.cts.com