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From: brossard@sic.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)
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Subject: Re: Openwin or X11R4
Keywords: OpenWin X11R4
Message-ID: <1991May30.170543@sic.epfl.ch>
Date: 30 May 91 15:05:43 GMT
References: <1991May29.144727.5008@javelin.sim.es.com> <1991May29.230342.15836@ncs.dnd.ca>
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In article <1991May29.230342.15836@ncs.dnd.ca>, rpburry@ncs.dnd.ca (Paul Burry) writes:
|> In article <1991May29.144727.5008@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer%javelin@dsd.es.com writes:
|> 	:
|> |shortly before the arrival of the IPC.  So far, I'm not that impressed
|> |with openwin on the IPC, especially since the distribution of X
|> |includes, libraries, & executables files are into non-X11-typical
|> |subdirectories.  I mean, I don't think I should have to monkey around
|> |with make files to compile such benign programs as xv or xroaches.
|> |Making gazillions of file links seems quite unreasonable, too.

    If you install Imake and its configuration files appropriately,
you should have no problems compiling programs, you will want to add
the symlink /usr/include/X11 though!

|> I've also been thinking about running MIT X11R4 on my SS1+, but my motivation
|> is somewhat different.   We have a bunch of X-terminals and workstations from
|> other vendors.  When we try to display some of the Sun's Openwindows 
|> applications on these Xservers, they often complain about missing fonts etc.

   The solution is not to get rid of the programs!  But add the fonts to
the other servers.  If you have access to the mit server, you have
access to the missing fonts you need.  Or I think you can convert the
OW 2.0 fonts to bdf format, check your manual.

|> So, I have been thinking about tossing Openwindows and running MIT X11R4 and
|> one of the available window managers distributed with MIT X.

    The only difference between OW 2.0 and X.V11R4 is the server and the
shared libraries:
	1- get rid of the OW 2.0 shared libraries and use the one from MIT
	2- pick one server depending on your needs, if you don't have
	a GX accelerator, stick with the server from MIT.

|> Now, the questions:
|> 	1.	What Openwindows applications break when used with MIT X11R4?
  I assume you mean xview based applications, the answer is NONE, since
the xview toolkit is pure X11.
|> 	2.	What window manager should we run?
   Most of my users prefer olwm and now some are moving to olvwm.  Those
who are not afraid of a configuration file use twm or if they have
the swap and memory needed tvtwm.  A minority of hackers uses the
versatile gwm.
|> 	3.	Will the Olwm distributed with MIT X11R4 work with my favorite
|> 		Openwindows applications? 

   Much better to use the binary from OW 2.0, you will save a lot of
time and grief if you don't bother compiling anything under
contrib/toolkits/xview2.  Just use the binaries already available under
OW 2.0.

-- 

Alain Brossard, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne,
	SIC/SII, EL-Ecublens, CH-1015 Lausanne, Suisse
brossard@sasun1.epfl.ch