Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!tybalt.caltech.edu From: charlesg@tybalt.caltech.edu (Charles Grosjean) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: PMC .44 Hollow Points Message-ID: <34919@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 May 91 13:21:32 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin) writes: #Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend #gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked #PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're #jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be #copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like #a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense #round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet. PMC markets one bullet called the Ultramag. It is available in .44 and .38 special. Basically, it is a tubular copper bullet that is driven at very high velocities. It isn't really a hollowpoint, instead it's more like a tube. Supposedly, it is similar to a bullet that was designed by Abe Flaytau ( the person who designed the Ring Airfoil Grenade) when the military was considering switching to a new handgun/caliber. Supposedly it was shot at a military kevlar helmet where it proceeded straight through both sides of the helmet. PMC it seems appropriated the project and made the 38 and 44 special versions. Sounds like a fun load to play with on water jugs etc., but its performance for self defense has not been proven. Hope this helps. It's a bullet that's usually covered in articles on exotic bullets.