Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!uunet.UU.NET From: decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!tmi@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Kasler) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: Ordinance Gelatin, where to get it? Message-ID: <34947@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 28 May 91 12:11:14 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Lines: 36 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu steve@gumby.Altos.COM (Steve Scherf) writes: #In article <34470@mimsy.umd.edu> decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!tmi@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Kasler) writes: #] Dux-Seal, for example, yields large wound cavities that bear little or no #] relationship to temporal or permanent wound cavities in human tissue. #] Likewise, #] recovered bullets do not necessarily deform the same in such media as they #] deform in human soft tissue, whereas wounding potential and bullet #] deformation #] in human tissue is well-correlated to ballistic gelatin. #Why go to all this trouble? Won't a side of beef work well for testing #"wounding potential"? #-- #Steve Scherf #steve@Altos.COM ...!{sun|sco|pyramid|amdahl|uunet}!altos!steve #These opinions are solely mine, but others may share them if they like. A side of beef, or any other non-living flesh for that matter, is of no greater value in wound ballistics testing than any of the other various media people have tried over the years. It simply doesn't correlate well to living human flesh. (The FAA used to use live chickens to test the integrity of jet aircraft windshields until they were stopped; now they use freshly-killed chickens that are no more than a few minutes (I forget the parameter) dead. The concern here is the same: flesh that has been dead long enough for lividity to occur does not correlate sufficiently well to living human soft tissue to be of much value). Joe Zambone used to (he may still, for that matter) test his MagSafe Ammo in corned beef, still in the plastic wrapper, obtained at the grocery store, but alas results just weren't close enough to living human flesh to be very valuable. The last I heard, Joe was experimenting with ballistic gelatin, but I don't know if he actually switched or not.