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Subject: Re: Ordinance Gelatin, where to get it?
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Date: 28 May 91 16:27:28 GMT
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Joe Zambone has done extensive testing in gelatin.  He's even produced videos
showing his work to police departments who might be interested in ammunition
for less than optimal calibers (.380, .25, .38 Special...)
Also, Ed Siemon has done lots of testing on the MagSafe's and the jello blocks.
He's recorded penetration around 9 inches.
Ed Sanow has also done the same, and got similar results.

Regarding Marshall, he and Sanow have worked together on a book about stopping
power.  Together, they have recorded shooting data, and Sanow has done
extensive gelatin research in comparison to these tests.
(Sanow has also worked with Fackler in his gelatin testing, or so I've heard
from Ayoob.)

Perhaps this expert who has confronted Marshall was accosting Marshall in a
blowhard manner.  Maybe if we asked him in all politeness, instead of an
accusing manner, he'd answer nicely.  Would you answer some dickhead who
says he thinks you're full of shit, and then wants your data on a subject?

I thought not.

BTW, the Kansas City Police Department is extremely satisfied with 125 gr.
SJHP's in .357 Magnum.  I don't have the numbers here, but they've had
fairly heavy successes with it since the inception of the round.
(Ayoob did an article on this, and he included data for 1,2, 4, and 8 shot
stops.)

It sounded very close to Marshall's numbers, in fact.
However, now everyone's bitching at Ayoob because he said something about
Brad Steiner and point shoot practice in a mirror something like what
most people do with a Playboy, not a gun, in their free hand.
(I wish they'd grow up, Steiner and Ayoob.  I mean, there's a time to just
point and hope for the best, and a time to get behind cover and drive tacks
on the bad guy...)

Dougster.