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Subject: Re: Ordinance Gelatin, where to get it?
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Date: 29 May 91 16:24:29 GMT
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In article <34977@mimsy.umd.edu>, andy@DEC-Lite.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
says:
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#In article <34958@mimsy.umd.edu>                                              U
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#writes:
##Perhaps this expert who has confronted Marshall was accosting Marshall in a
##blowhard manner.  Maybe if we asked him in all politeness, instead of an
##accusing manner, he'd answer nicely.  Would you answer some dickhead who
##says he thinks you're full of shit, and then wants your data on a subject?
#
#Having lots of experience with precisely this situation, namely, some
#dickhead doesn't like my conclusion and demands my data, I've found
#that the most effective response is to provide the data.  Doing so is
#both good science and great for my ego.  Then again, my data
#withstands hostile scrutiny.
#
#The wound ballistics field is in desparate need of good science.  A
#good start would be to eliminate no-brain bozos who think that
#"Hydro-Shok ammo expands reliably" is inconsistent with "The post in
#Hydro-Shok ammo doesn't affect its expansion characteristics."  (Hint:
#Hydro-Shok ammo may expand reliably both with and without the post.
#Reliable expansion is demonstrated by testing Hydro-Shok ammo.  The
#post's effects are demonstrated by comparing the expansion of
#Hydro-Shok ammo with the post with Hydro-Shok ammo without the post.
#Coming up with the latter is left as an exercise for the reader.)
#
#-andy
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Federal Bureau of Investigation
did extensive testing of the Hydra-Shok in .45 ACP, 10MM and 9MM both with and
without the posts.  The FBI discovered (after removing the post with a drill
press) that Hydra-Shoks penetrated deeper, went through hard targets and
expanded in gelatin better (without the post, the hollowpoints didn't do to
well, as they weren't supposed to), and they didn't get gummed up with
plaster or clothing when the rounds were fired through clothing or drywall.

Ed Sanow is a Facklerite and he's done similar tests on Hydra-Shoks.
Now, why don't you actually get a lathe and spend the time to test
whether Hydra-Shoks do better without the posts or not, or just listen to
the FBI and chill out?

Dougster.