Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdcad!amdcad!military From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Torpedoing Battleships Message-ID: <1991May29.010941.6420@amd.com> Date: 24 May 91 17:12:24 GMT References: <1991May23.054849.13718@amd.com> <1991May24.030512.9324@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 29 Approved: military@amd.com From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >From: phil@brahms.AMD.COM (Phil Ngai) >Actually, battleships don't have armored bottoms for a couple of reasons: >1) their designers realize that water carries the force too well... >2) probably battleships stopped being useful around the time >that torpedoes became reasonable effective. No, battleships were around and effective for quite a while after torpedoes became workable. Destroyers were invented mostly to keep torpedo boats at a properly respectful distance from the battle fleet; battleships didn't really lose out until submarines and aircraft started delivering torpedoes by routes that were difficult to block completely. As I understand it, the major reason for not armoring the bottom is simply that it adds too much weight. Even a battleship can't be armored everywhere. A waterline belt made sense because that was the most vulnerable area against gunfire and shallow-running torpedoes. Internal armored decks protected the engines from gunfire. And of course the command centers and main turrets were very heavily armored. These ate up the weight budget available for armor pretty much completely. One reason why HMS Dreadnought started a revolution in battleship design by deleting all secondary armament in favor of heavier primary armament was that deleting the weight of the secondary guns made it possible to protect the primary ones better. -- And the bean-counter replied, | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology "beans are more important". | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry