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From: mcg@phobos.cis.ksu.EDU
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Subject: Re: Book Review: Against Our Will
Message-ID: <1991May26.034945.22190@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>
Date: 28 May 91 23:53:54 GMT
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In article <1991May17.231746.23508@trc.amoco.com> uunet!apctrc!zrra07@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Randall R. Appleton) writes:
>
>In article <14915@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU>, farmerl@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (lisa ann farmer) writes:
>|>
>|> I think that most men find "stranger" rape repulsive but date rape is a
>|> different matter.  According to a study done by Dr. Mary P. Koss, a good
>|> percentage of the men surveyed believed certain things could be expected
>|> if they paid for dinner, etc.  There were questions designed in such a
>|> way that would find out if the men had raped without using the word rape.
>|> They would answer yes to these questions but no to the questions
>|> containing the word rape.  I would direct you to the book
>|> _I never called it rape_ by Robin Warshaw for more info on this study.
>|> Lisa
>|> farmerl@handel.cs.colostate.edu
>

>Do you know any men who have, even once, engaded in data-rape but
>don't call it that?  I bet you have known many men (50 or 100 or so)
>over your life, but I *guess* that not one of them has ever date-raped
>someone without realizing it.

>I mearly point this out for the following reason.  If *you* don't know
>any men who do this, and *I* don't know any men who do this, then they
>must not be as common as you seem to think.

>I'm not saying that it doesn't happen (really, I`m not).  I am just
>saying that men who unknowingly date-rape are not as common as you
>seem to think.

>-Randy

I know of a man at least once who engaged in date-rape and refuses to
call it that. He's my neighbor and still is.