Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!aero-c!nadel From: oneil@zeus.unomaha.edu (Sharon L. O'Neil) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Sexism vs. Men's Oppression Message-ID: <15263.283c1f6f@zeus.unomaha.edu> Date: 24 May 91 02:00:47 GMT References: 94.17a3@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> <14905.2833d44d@zeus.unomaha.edu> <674858563@lear.cs.duke.edu> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 45 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org In article <674858563@lear.cs.duke.edu>, gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: > In article <14905.2833d44d@zeus.unomaha.edu> (Sharon L. O'Neil) writes: > >> Interesting. I went to hear Gloria Steinem speak a few months ago >>and something that she was very sincerely concerned about was the fact that >>the feminist movement has ignored men for so long. > > 1) Why is she suddenly so concerned about the subject? > > 2) What did she offer to men, aside from her "very sincere concern"? Since you ask, Hillel, I'll be glad to answer. I believe that she is "suddenly so concerned about the subject" because -- and I can't provide quotes here or even paraphrases because the talk was quite some time ago -- because in essence, men are victims of sexism just as women are. If women are supposed to be weak, then men are supposed to be strong and this is not necessarily a fair demand. Sexism denies men the pleasure and enjoyment of being nurturing, of caring for their children and being involved in the household. In essence, from what I understood of her talk, sexism stereotypes men just as it stereotypes women. What did she offer besides her "very sincere concern" -- I'm having to stretch way back into my memory because I don't want to represent her out of context -- I believe that the agenda that she was calling for that night was essentially focused upon women, but with the belief that if we truly did establish an egalitarian society, it would be as beneficial for men as it would be for women. I believe that she was focusing mostly upon encouraging nurturance and other such qualities in men. She concentrated a lot upon the home environment. Of course she talked a lot about pro-choice. To be honest, this was primarily a "cheer-leading" event. She didn't discuss anything too terribly new, as we are out in the sticks. But I believe if you read Ms., you would find those views pretty much reflected in her talk. I just think it is unfair to characterize Gloria Steinem as a total man-basher. I didn't get that impression /at all/. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharon L. O'Neil | Internet: oneil@zeus.unomaha.edu | Bitnet: oneil@unoma1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~