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From: gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Sexism vs. Men's Oppression
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Date: 30 May 91 19:26:02 GMT
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In article <15263.283c1f6f@zeus.unomaha.edu> (Sharon L. O'Neil) writes:

>	Since you ask, Hillel, I'll be glad to answer.  I believe that
>	she is "suddenly so concerned about the subject" because -- and
                ^^^^^^^^
>	I can't provide quotes here or even paraphrases because the talk
>	was quite some time ago -- because in essence, men are victims of
>	sexism just as women are.

That has always been true, but why *SUDDENLY* Steinem is so concerned?

>	for that night was essentially focused upon women, but with the
>	belief that if we truly did establish an egalitarian society, it
>	would be as beneficial for men as it would be for women.

Since you will never establish an egalitarian society, you can
always give promises for the future...  I asked what she has
to offer to men *now*.

>	environment.  Of course she talked a lot about pro-choice.

Did a person who is so "deeply concern" about men has a single word
to say about choice-for-men in a case of birth control failure?

Where's the beef?

>	I just think it is unfair to characterize Gloria Steinem as a total
>	man-basher.  I didn't get that impression /at all/.

I'd not use the term "men-basher"; "don't care about men" will be
a more accurate term, even if she expressed "her deep concern"...

> Sharon L. O'Neil | Internet: oneil@zeus.unomaha.edu | Bitnet: oneil@unoma1

Hillel                                                   gazit@cs.duke.edu

"In her ground-breaking new book, "The Demon Lover: On the Sexuality of
Terrorism," Robin Morgan advances an analysis of terrorism in which the soldier
(the State's hero) and the terrorist (the Revolution's hero) are mirror-image
expressions of male nature, not human nature.  A feminist writer who was once
involved in small, pre-Weathermen, "armed propaganda" groups, Morgan opens a
window of thought and action that lets us move out of a male-centered politics
of Thanatos - the romance of death - into a feminist politics of Eros, a loving
life force."  --  Ms. magazine, March 1989