Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re^4: Campus Crusade Message-ID: Date: 27 May 91 22:19:15 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 60 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >You said that cults were in the world but not of it. Isn't that the >way Paul instructed the church to be? No, I said "neither in the world nor of it." You completely miss my point and distort what I actually said. >Not every religious organization needs to be so involved in politics. >Other functions need to be met. If Campus Crusade is a cult is the >BSU? Here at Georgia most Crusaders or Baptists. Of course other functions need to be met; but any religion not involoved in politics is not involved with polis (people) and thereby risks the status of cults and other superstitions. Re-read the story of the Final Judgment. Don't just take my word for it. Re-read the prophets. >Is it the churches job to end homophobia? No. St. John disagrees with you: "Perfect love casts out ALL phobia" >It is the churches job >to teach people not to commit sexual immorality. Indeed. This includes teaching people not requiring all persons to conform to hetero idolotry. Of course lesgay persons, like any one else, risk sexual immorality, not because of the plumbing of the persons whom we love, but because we often do not love the other as much as they love ourselves. Homophobes are in no position at all to discern these issues for lesgay persons, because all phobia is by definition irrational. Homophobes cannot understand the difference between a loving, caring, faithful, long-term committed lesgay relationship and a fling. >Politicws was not the main concern of the early church (they did, >however feed the hungry, and I agree that the church should do this >today.) Spiritual matters are more important. I doubt quite seriously that the political authorities Jewish and Roman would have bothered with this "King of the Jews" had they not perceived Jesus and his followers as a serious political threat. Nor would we have ever heard about the "Holy Roman Empire" or the "one holy catholic and apostolic church" if the church dealt only with "spiritual matters." "Spiritual matters" are spooky indeed if they divorce you from having to care for your neighbors' material well-being as carefully as you care for your own. Louie Louie Crew . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu Associate Professor . . . . . . . . . . . . . .lcrew@draco.rutgers.edu Academic Foundations Department . . . . . . . CompuServe No. 73517,147 Rutgers: The State University of New Jersey. . . . . . 201-485-4503 h P. O. Box 30 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 201-648-5434 o Newark, NJ 07101 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 201-648-5700 FAX Only a dead fish floats with the current.