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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Ohio State University CIS Policies
Message-ID: <1991Jun3.232500.24850@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
References: <1991Jun3.165946.12637@eff.org> <1991Jun3.173550.13928@eff.org>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1991 23:25:00 GMT
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In article <1991Jun3.173550.13928@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl Kadie) writes:
>
>It says that undergrads are prohibited from posting or emailing off
>campus.  This rule is enforced very selectively. To quote an OSU sys
>admin: "it's just something that's usable as a weapon against the
>occasional real jerk." (I think such selective enforcement is
>despicable.)
>
>The fatal flaw in the policies is the lack of any notion of due
>process. It looks like a student or a faculty member could be
>suspending or expelled from the computer system at the whim of sys
>admin without recourse to a formal hearing.
>

Why, oh why, is *everything* turning into a "formal" or "due
process" situation?  We've never had any problem with a student
that wasn't solved with a face-to-face conversation.  I've 
stopped chain letters, obscene files, and email flood wars with
a simple "please drop by to see me" message.  Sure, users have
been locked out here; this only occurred when the student ignored
several requests to come in for a meeting.  I haven't had to lock
anyone out yet; those few occurances were several years ago.

I realize that "due process" is a student right; however, aren't
we getting just a bit too stringent in its application?  Heck, 
I guess I'll have to schedule a hearing to kill user processes
that are using > 75% of the available system, since it's their
final project and I'm infringing their rights.

Let's step back, take a deep breath, and look at this from a
new perspective, shall we?

Wes

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