Xref: utzoo alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:52 comp.admin.policy:260 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ra!uvaarpa!murdoch!astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU!gl8f From: gl8f@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.admin.policy Subject: Re: Ohio State University CIS Policies Message-ID: <1991Jun4.190025.2131@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 4 Jun 91 19:00:25 GMT References: <1991Jun3.173550.13928@eff.org> <1991Jun3.232500.24850@ms.uky.edu> <1991Jun4.160947.7193@eng.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia Lines: 20 In article <1991Jun4.160947.7193@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes: >If there had been some sort of due process in the first place, perhaps I >wouldn't have had such trouble. Informal stuff only works when both sides are >trying for a real solution-- not when the side with more power only wants to >avoid what they percieve as a problem by getting rid of the student involved. Exactly! And due process only works when it isn't grossly painful. I once had a problem with an undergraduate IRC user at a large US university. Despite many recorded instances of antisocial behavior (he'd get drunk and start sending everyone /usr/dict/words...), his system administrator's attitude was "The process of pulling his account is so long and nasty that I'm not even going to try. Good luck." One would wonder if they would have taken any action if the medium had been netnews or mail. In any case, a few technical fixes to IRC sufficed to solve the problem. When due process fails, not much is left. A fancy document can't guarantee that the process works, either. It merely helps.