Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!batcomputer!cornell!uw-beaver!zephyr.ens.tek.com!ogicse!pdxgate!qiclab!techbook!waynekn From: waynekn@techbook.com (Wayne Knapp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics Subject: Re: Wayne's World (was: JMan Review: RENDER & Conclusion) Message-ID: <1991May31.050803.29054@techbook.com> Date: 31 May 91 05:08:03 GMT References: <1991May18.001642.11147@crash.cts.com> <192b5f2f.ARN0fef@cbmami.UUCP> <1991May24.005621.3479@techbook.com> Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix Lines: 43 Let's keep this from becoming some kind of pissing contest. I was just trying to present the facts from our side. Some dealers are mad at us, because we give direct sales the same price as dealers. That is tough. If other companies don't like it, they can do business the way they like. Since the people flaming us are: a. a dealer b. a guy with a vested interest in Pro 3D I don't think that is what produces useful insight. What about me? Well, I don't make anything from the Amiga sales of Jman. So at least I didn't have a money interest. I was speaking from what I've learned in my 4 years of working with Martin Hash. I know the sales data, and why we have decided to do what we are doing. Hash Enterprises is moving to the point of where 10 artistes with our tools could produce a 100 minute animation in one year. All that for about $2M, (not counting flim, rendering, just the animation). That is how we are making our choices on what we are doing. I suspect that our goal it a lot different that most companies, hence we have a different way of doing business. Anyway, starting with the release of "Joyride" a 150 second animation, we are going to let our animations sell our tools. I hope that this clears the air a little. Just keep in mind, we are not trying to sell cheap animation programs for the Amiga. We are trying to produce and sell real animation tools, animation services, and programming services. Also this is a rough business, and we are in it to stay, so that often means we play by a different set of rules. Getting customers is easy, keeping them coming back for more is where the proof is. That is where are real business is. Thanks for time and letting me blow some steam of at some wild flamers. Wayne Knapp -- waynekn@techbook.COM ...!{tektronix!nosun,uunet}techbook!waynekn Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) Voice: +1 503 646-8257 Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks