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From: seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Wayne's World (was: JMan Review: RENDER & Conclusion)
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Date: 1 Jun 91 01:16:12 GMT
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In-Reply-To: message from billc@cryo.UUCP

billc@cryo.UUCP (William J. Coldwell) writes:

>> Clearly you haven't experience in buying or selling high-end software.
>
>Why no Wayne, I wouldn't have ANY experience in that area.  (sarcasm alert
>- run for cover (or at least .advocacy!))
>
>>   Many of the best packages available are not sold via dealers.
>
>Depends on your dealers and your package.  There are some very excellent
>Amiga packages out there that are handled by educated and experienced
>dealers.  This is also implying that your package is "best".

...gee, you think maybe he was talking about professional packages OUTSIDE
the Amiga market???  Can you walk into a storefront someplace and say, "I'd
like a copy of Wavefront Visualizer...and a copy of SGI World, to go."???
I think not...

(more gripes deleted)
 
>Yeh, you probably spend at most $40 on the whole package.  The main cost
is
>feeding your developers (and we haven't heard too much from Ken lately -
did
>
>he die from starvation? ;-))  The whole 3DPro1.0 package cost ~$40, and I
>can't fathom that your packaging is more extensive.

I'm pretty sure Ken's hard at work making JMan even better...not wasting 
his time slinging mud at a competitor.

Packaging?  What's the point of having really cool packaging if the product
is crap.  I used 3DPro1.0 as soon as it came out.  Yeah, the packaging was
great...hell, it looked like a Mac application.  But aside from a fairly
nice marble texture, that can't be animated (Jesus!), I had no use for it.
I hate interfaces that won't let you turn on interlacing.  And for a Phong
shader, it sure did act like it was a raytracer.
 
When rendering with JMan and its relatively slow renders, I half understand
because it's a raytracer.  But having relatively simple scenes take more
than an hour with just Phong shading and your fake antialiacing (which just
made the image blurry) is out of the question.  I also don't like the upper
limit of 1024x1024.
 
Some of these issues may have been addressed with later versions.  But my
first impression keeps me from even considering the package.
 
(more crap deleted)

>You are still expecting people to plop down $500 "sight-unseen".  Dealers
>give you that extra sales staff (when they are educated in your product).

You overestimate dealers.  Aside from one or two dealerships that I've been
to (Amazing in San Antonio), most dealers don't know jack about what 
they're selling.  I used to work at a dealership...and without going into 
details, let me just say that I still get calls FROM THEM about 
applications that they're trying to sell, but don't know the first thing 
about.  Most computer retailers are just a rung above used car dealers on 
the ladder of evolution.

(and even more stuff deleted)
 
Let me end this message just by saying I find it distasteful for a 
developer to criticize his competition's product in a public forum.  
There is nothing to be gained by spouting your oppinions on Hash's product.
 
 
Bottom line is, Hash Enterprises decides how they'll sell their product, 
not Cryogenic Software, who has this decided for them by Progressive 
Peripherals & Software.
 
Sean
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